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expatCanuck
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Consumer Finance Account

Greetings.

For whatever reason, I drilled down on my Bankcard 3 score (775) today and saw that it was being dinged for (among other things) the presence of Consumer Finance Accounts.

I have an old (closed) Macy's account, as well as an old (also closed) Gap account. Would those be the culprits?

2025 Goal: save 3 months' net income

Starting FICO8: 666 (give or take a FICO)
[ Last INQ 12-Feb-2024 ]
EQ8502 INQ (Auto, Mort)7y4m
EX8506 INQ (2 CC, 2 mort, 2 auto)7y
TU8501 INQ (CC)6y8m
3/241/12AoYA 10m | AoOA 24y2m~1%

Yeah, FICO 9 is 850 as well. Smiley Happy
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Consumer Finance Account


@expatCanuck wrote:
Greetings.

For whatever reason, I drilled down on my Bankcard 3 score (775) today and saw that it was being dinged for (among other things) the presence of Consumer Finance Accounts.

I have an old (closed) Macy's account, as well as an old (also closed) Gap account. Would those be the culprits?

I don't think so. Those sound like revolvers.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account

A Consumer Finance Account code/designation is provided in the Credit Reporting Resource Guide only for Portfolio Types that are installment loans.   See Exhibit 1 of the Credit Reporting Resource Guide for permissible Account Type field codes for each Portfolio Type. 

 

There is no Account Type of consumer finance account under a Portfolio Type of revolving credit.

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expatCanuck
Super Contributor

Re: Consumer Finance Account

I'm not grokking this.

The only other possibilities are past HELOCs (I'd think not), our current HELoan (which I'd again expect not to be in the same category), or a Honda Financial loan (my understanding is that auto loans are not CFA's, tho' perhaps I'm wrong).

No current real-world impact here, but I'd really like to know so that I don't make an error going forward.

2025 Goal: save 3 months' net income

Starting FICO8: 666 (give or take a FICO)
[ Last INQ 12-Feb-2024 ]
EQ8502 INQ (Auto, Mort)7y4m
EX8506 INQ (2 CC, 2 mort, 2 auto)7y
TU8501 INQ (CC)6y8m
3/241/12AoYA 10m | AoOA 24y2m~1%

Yeah, FICO 9 is 850 as well. Smiley Happy
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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account


@expatCanuck wrote:
I'm not grokking this.

The only other possibilities are past HELOCs (I'd think not), our current HELoan (which I'd again expect not to be in the same category), or a Honda Financial loan (my understanding is that auto loans are not CFA's, tho' perhaps I'm wrong).

No current real-world impact here, but I'd really like to know so that I don't make an error going forward.

Thats your likely answer, the auto loan.

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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account

Agreed with fi-fico-fum. I’ve read elsewhere on here about GMAC or another GM Financial loan being coded as a CFA as well. I’d bet your Honda loan is the one.
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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account

Honda Financial?  Bingo.  I have a car loan through Ally (which really is GMAC) that reports as a CFA.  

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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account

Why would Honda Financial code as a CFA when it's clearly an auto (installment) loan?

 

I've had 3 loans through Honda Financial between 2012-2015 and none of them have ever resulted in a CFA on my CR.

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Anonymous
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Re: Consumer Finance Account


@Anonymous wrote:

Why would Honda Financial code as a CFA when it's clearly an auto (installment) loan?

 

I've had 3 loans through Honda Financial between 2012-2015 and none of them have ever resulted in a CFA on my CR.


BBS, I don't have the reason why.  I usually have a pretty good memory and I remember things that I read here.  DP from new posters are taken with caution.  DP from credit savy and long time members like yourself are far more credible therefore I take note.  You had the same conversation with Revelate when they read Honda was a CFA.

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Question-for-Score-Experts-0-uti-but/td-p/5327659/page/4

 

BES has read this and mentioned it ...post 13

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Ahhh-the-ever-elusive-CFA-comment/td-p/5466787/page/2

 

Sarge has a loan from Honda that reports as a CFA..post 17

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Consumer-Finance-Account-Question/td-p/5287435/page/2

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Consumer Finance Account


@Anonymous wrote:

Why would Honda Financial code as a CFA when it's clearly an auto (installment) loan?

 

I've had 3 loans through Honda Financial between 2012-2015 and none of them have ever resulted in a CFA on my CR.


IIRC you went from dirty to 800+ and may not have gotten reason codes as such.

 

I know you have occasional 3B reports, might be worth looking at the older models to see; anecdotally it does seem like captive lenders are being tagged as CFA's these days.

 

Also I'm not entirely sure how they tag CFA's, think it almost has to be on name and the reported tradeline name might not match others as those do change over time but not on closed accounts typically.

 

I don't think we had much in the way of reports on auto loans being CFA's until recently, this wasn't a long term thing... I'm generally a supporter of credit scoring in general, but CFA's are totally and completely lame in the way they're handled - find a different way to keep score FICO than on a label that appears to have shifting goalposts.

 




        
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