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Re: FICO 08??


@CS800 wrote:

I'll just throw something out there.

 

Lets say someone was unemployed and his/her credit sufferred for 3 years and after that he/she bounced back. LEts say during these 3 years said person has 2-3 collections that the person paid off in full. All these are personal situations but many other types of personal situations exist whether it be loss of job or family related or medical you name it.

 

Would you still think it would be fair to penalize said person for 7 years?

 

What hte FICO model doesnt take into consideration is personal circumstances.

 

So said person after 3 years has paid off all his collections but still has lates. So for the next 7 years the person might have to contend with sub prime rates even though they have recovered. Just saying that while I agree that it;s godo to see if someone has been responsible overtime, I think the FICO formula should be made in such a way that it doesnt penalize people who have bounced back and paid all their dues. 7 years is a lot of time to be punished since technically for example a collection, a 120 ,150 days late will affect your score for the full 7 years.

 

I was in the job loss category while I make no excuses that I should have paid my bills on time, at that time I couldnt do so. So there you have my eternal rant about the why I think the FICO formula should be adjusted.

 

 


FWIW -- I disagree with your point on collections. Up until this current recession, where long-term unemployment (people unemployed longer than one and two years) has started to become more common, the average period of unemployment has been less than six months. We should all have at least six months of cash reserves (at our current spend rate).

 

Between unemployment, which averages 60% of your income, and your cash reserves you should be able to get yourself out to a year without tapping additional credit or other resources (such as retirement accounts).

 

For example: If DW or I were to lose our job, our six months cash reserves would immediately stretch out to 9 months (or more) by making a few adjustments to our spending (no eating out, better meal planning, no cable TV, no student loan payments until we reach the next due date in 2013, etc.). We could stretch that out to at least two years by tapping our ROTH IRAs -- even if there were no unemployment.

 

With unemployment (which you can get for up to 99 weeks right now), I'm confident that if we both lost our jobs that we'd be able to go over three years without missing a payment if we needed to. Not that I expect either of us to be out of work for long (DW got a job offer last week, for a job she didn't even apply to).

 

My point is that if you are financially responsible, you should be able to survive a financial emergency for 6 months without missing a single bill payment. Our credit rating system should reward those able to weather a personal emergency without missing a financial beat.

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CS800
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Re: FICO 08??


@Anonymous wrote:

FWIW -- I disagree with your point on collections. Up until this current recession, where long-term unemployment (people unemployed longer than one and two years) has started to become more common, the average period of unemployment has been less than six months. We should all have at least six months of cash reserves (at our current spend rate).

 

Your above statement is based on a generalization of what 'people' should have as reserves as well as the average length of unemployment. When you say we 'should' all have 6 months of reserves; note that not everyone has the ability to save that much in reserves. I did have some reserves but at that time I couldn't have saved that much. Although to your point it's good to have such reserves, in reality many cannot save that much.

 

 

Between unemployment, which averages 60% of your income, and your cash reserves you should be able to get yourself out to a year without tapping additional credit or other resources (such as retirement accounts).

 

Again another generalization. Wouldn't help if one was unemployed for longer time. Situation varies.

 

For example: If DW or I were to lose our job, our six months cash reserves would immediately stretch out to 9 months (or more) by making a few adjustments to our spending (no eating out, better meal planning, no cable TV, no student loan payments until we reach the next due date in 2013, etc.). We could stretch that out to at least two years by tapping our ROTH IRAs -- even if there were no unemployment.

 

There was just me and no one else. And adjustments were made. Heck, I didn't have cable back then since I was rarely home. Your scenario is that of an ideal situation and beleive me I did all the cuts even sold my car back then (which was not worth much).

 

With unemployment (which you can get for up to 99 weeks right now), I'm confident that if we both lost our jobs that we'd be able to go over three years without missing a payment if we needed to. Not that I expect either of us to be out of work for long (DW got a job offer last week, for a job she didn't even apply to).

 

Your situation is different that others. While it's good that you're pointing out your example I will stress that such ideal condition didn't exist for me. I'm glad that you guys bounced back really good.

 

My point is that if you are financially responsible, you should be able to survive a financial emergency for 6 months without missing a single bill payment. Our credit rating system should reward those able to weather a personal emergency without missing a financial beat.

 

That's a pretty bold statement there considering all the generalizations you have made above. I will have to respectfully disagree with your we could, we should, we would scenarios.

 

In a perfect situation we would all have enough money to save for a 6 months reserve but that doesnt always happen.

 

In a perfect situation, we would all get a job within the 6 month period or earlier,

 

In a perfect situation we should have enough in our ROTH ot tap should we need it but how many people have enough nevermind a ROTH or IRA?

 

In a perfect world, we could all tap into our reserves and pay all of our bills for 2 or plus years; reality, not many would have such funds.

 

 

Just like in a perfect world, I would have a 100 million dollars in the bank with a mansion overlooking Chesapeake Bay and Megan Fox as my girlfriend (meant in a joking way)

 

The credit system was made without regards to any of these. It was made black on white. While I agree that we should pay our bills on time, a number of factors come into play where one is unable to do so and some of those factors are sometimes beyond the person's control. So why penalize someone for 7 years? Maybe as a tactic to share the profit with the subprime industry?

 

Other than that I have no hard feelings about the credit rating system Smiley Happy


 




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