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@NetWorthTheWait wrote:I'm new here and trying to learn. I too have no mortgage - haven't had one for 20 years - and didn't have an auto loan for many years (until recently). I have been dinged for my lack of credit mix. I get why income is not counted but why should you get dinged for not having installment loans?!
IMHO you shouldn't.
A score over 800 without a mortgage IS possible. My manager flashed me his EX FICO8 score yesterday of 831. 3 credit cards, 2 with small balances, truck loan and no mortgage. He is 56, chapter 7 in 2021 due to a business failure during Covid. Seems unreal but I saw it with my own eyes on the EX website.
I have to chime in here...as a former boat owner, I must tell you that they are money pits. Absolute money pits. A boat loan is probably as opposite from your stated goals and priorities as you could be. In the Seattle area, we have boat sharing clubs that allow you to "rent" boat time and choose from the entire inventory of different boats depending on what you need or want for the day/weekend/week. Look into that option in your area until you can save up cash for the purchase. Owning a boat is like piling up huge amounts of cash in the center of the table and lighting it on fire...just thinking about it still gives me PTSD flashbacks. Renting a slip, $89k boat loan on a used model, $2,000 fuel fill ups, maintenance and repairs...uuugh! And that was just for a nice little 29' cabin cruiser not even a big boat. Never again. The memory is in the same category as a historical 3 day hangover I had in my 20's. Give it some very serious thought is my warning.
I'm a very experienced boater. I live in a waterfront townhouse community with deeded slip. I don't rent. $50/month for electric/water and about $800 in property tax.
Boating is lifestyle choice.
I just called in a one time payment of $9000 on my Marriott chase card and $1100 on my United chase card. Going to be interesting to see how score changes.
My goal is not just chasing a FICO score. FICO risk scoring is a complete joke.
No need to get loans or other stuff as I'll be paying these off relatively quickly.
i am making payments bi weekly to chip away at the amount faster. Stupid that $40k in a mortgage is "good" debt but $40k in credit card debt (now below $30k) makes you a lepper with FICO scoring.
yup some folks here seem to equate FICO scores with being financially savvy. FICO and rating agencies reward debt.
The formula is built to allow lenders to charge you more interest.....
@FICOdawg wrote:yup some folks here seem to equate FICO scores with being financially savvy. FICO and rating agencies reward debt.
The formula is built to allow lenders to charge you more interest.....
I never discount anyones financial intellect, but the system is designed to take advantage of those financially not aware. Everyone has an approach or knowledge most others may or may not experience, and others may be up and coming, and learning. At the end of the day, everyone is just trying to understand to make the best of their own personal experience. I have zero horses in their race, and I know only what I will be doing based on what I know to work for me.
Today, I was out with all of the in-laws, it was a really good night. In a brief stint of converstation, sister-in-law mentioned that her "financial advisor" stated you should only have one debit card, and one credit card. I recognize they do what they can and attempt to delegate their financial well being to those that work within the field. It's commendable if you don't know enough about finance, but, it's not the only path up the mountain. And, it might not be the best avenue. I've known multiple people to lose their azzes by using financial advisors. One almost lives hand to mouth today, because her husband passed thinking they were financially secure while following an advisor. Not just any advisor, but my neighbor who ran the financial establishment she invested in. At the end of the day, they make money both up and down, whether you make money or not. They make their money. Not my only story, I have a handful, but at the end of the day, no one cares more about your finances than you do.
So I chimed in and stated that we have well over 25 cards, with $XXX,XXX in credit lines, and immediately she shut down. 100% opposite in what she was told by her advisor. No understanding of AZEO. No understanding that three cards is more ideal. No understanding that even beyond that, you can build out a credit profile to that of a tank status beyond three cards, and by developing a history of satisfatory accounts paid off. By this I mean when adverse conditions hit, they barely move the needle on the FICO score. If you haven't ever experienced this, then you don't know what you are actually missing. I experience this routinely. With the stuff I do, under normal situations my score should drop noticeably, but it never does. It at times score moves higher, so ask yourself based upon what you think you know based upon the formula, can you see why that might occur? Not everyone will hold the same weight of a credit profile, nor will they walk the same path up the mountain. Anyways, that's not the point of this post.
What I find to be quite sad, is that even when the roadmap is presented, few to none are ever interested. Since you can't make the horse drink, they find success, or failure in their own understanding or there lack of, from the situation.
So be it. Such is life...
@Realist my mistake was I should have applied to increase my credit card limits prior to using the cards during the divorce.
I think you may be reading something that's not there. I've definitely learned a few key points about FICO scoring but I'm also not going to be putting my acct ages into a spread sheet to worry about the age of my accts.....
As of today my score is 709. No idea where the new 5 points came from. Just paid $10.1k off in one shot and will just keep hammering away at the balances until gone. I roll balances each month for work travel as I get to expense it and once I get the cards paid down I'll add the third card. Normally I don't buy stuff on credit cards but will eventually put expense stuff (gas/groceries) on the third card to get rewards from it.
Your credit mix is not the problem. Your utilization is. I have not had any loans since 2007 and my credit score has been as high as 812 in the last year. Once you pay off your cards, your score will go up. Don't apply for new credit because then you get hit with the new account penalty and take a hit due to the inquiry as well. Jus pay off the cards you have.
FICO® 8: 831 (Eq) · 824 (Ex) · 812 (TU)
@FICOdawg wrote:Really frustrating that for a case line mine, I'm rocking a horrible 695 while people with piles of debt are 750+.
I think owing $41k at 89% utilization qualifies as a pile of debt. At least in the eyes of FICO.
FICO® 8: 831 (Eq) · 824 (Ex) · 812 (TU)