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fused
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO should release their formula



borg_cube wrote:
Fused-
 
Then perhaps you can point me to the "random ramblings" section Boscoe referred to so he won't be bothered by the circular drivel? I can't seem to find it.
 
Of course, I would never be so presumptive as to ask for your algorithm in determining when you issue such warnings. Why then, you might be out of a job!


Boscoe did not direct any comments to a specific poster, you have. Telling someone to bugger-off is not friendly and supportive, in fact, it almost borders on a personal attack. Debating and disagreeing is more than acceptable, calling out other members is not. As for my modship, it's not a job, it's something I enjoy doing (even if I wasn't a mod, I would still hang in these forums just as much as I do now). I hang in this forum to learn and help others when I can...it's all voluntary just as it is for you and all others members. Please read the links below!
 
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MidnightVoice
Super Contributor

Re: FICO should release their formula

And he don't get paid either Smiley Sad
The slide from grace is really more like gliding
And I've found the trick is not to stop the sliding
But to find a graceful way of staying slid
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borg_cube
Valued Member

Re: FICO should release their formula

Fused,
 
 
Fair enough.
 
Now, can you point me to the "random ramblings" section that was mentioned in this thread? BTW, that was a very unfriendly and non-supportive comment to those of us seriously participating in the discussion and offering our honest opinions.
 
Thanks.
Message 93 of 99
RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: FICO should release their formula

'MedFICO' score: Good medicine or bad?

It appears that Fair Isaac Co., developers of the FICO credit scoring model, may be backtracking a bit from plans to launch a special FICO scoring system for medical debts.

I interviewed Fair Isaac spokesman Craig Watts for the CreditCards.com special report on health care and credit and he seemed less certain about the details of the plan than The Dallas Morning News reported in January.

Dubbed the 'medFICO' score in the Dallas article, the plan was purportedly to debut as early as this summer in some hospitals. The health care industry would be able to take medical bill payment histories and use the data to determine patients' creditworthiness after care is rendered.

"There is no score yet," Watts told me. "We're talking with a startup company about developing some kind of score. It's still in the discussion phase as far as I know."

Trial balloon?
Could it be that the whole 'medFICO' story went out to the media as a trial balloon to see if it would float in the court of public opinion? If so, the balloon popped. The blogosphere has gone crazy, mostly with criticism of the plan. To date, the MSNBC blog The Red Tape Chronicles has more than 2,000 comments on its posting. The White Coat Rants blogger writes, "I'm having a difficult time understanding the purpose of this concept."

Several people have questioned the legality and ethics of the plan and how it aligns with the Fair Credit Reporting Act and the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act. Would the score be used to somehow deny patients services? To cherrypick and treat patients with "good" credit while leaving low-scoring consumers with substandard care?

Clearly, people are stirred up about the possibility of a medical FICO score.

Hospitals and bills
Interviews with spokeswomen from the American Hospital Association, the leading trade group of hospitals and health care systems nationwide, as well as the Healthcare Finance Management Association revealed they knew very little about the new scoring system. They've been reading the news reports and blogs, too. Suzanne Lestina, from the health finance group, says she's been trying unsuccessfully to get details of 'medFICO' plan. "If you find out, let me know."

She says hospitals have been using traditional credit scoring methods -- that look at all credit payment histories -- for years. "There is a difference between ability to pay and patients that won't pay," she says.

But, Lestina says, there's a basic flaw with 'medFICO': "Just looking at how I paid my medical bill doesn't give me a full picture. It is only part of the picture."

Lestina points out that not all consumers pay medical bills like they would rent, mortgage or car notes. So a score that excludes non-medical payment histories may tell only part of the story, she says.

"If I have four bills and one of them is a $50 medical bill and one is a phone or credit card bill, am I going to pay my phone bill before the medical bill? Just because I hold off on my medical bill, does that make me a bad consumer? Many people today don’t' pay their hospital bill because they may not feel it is an essential bill."

"The current credit scoring looks at the entire score," she says, adding a new medical-only score "is a good tool, but is it the whole tool?"

According to reports, Fair Isaac and Tenet Healthcare each put $10 million into a venture to fund Waltham, Mass.-based HealthCare Analytics Inc. (HAI) launch of the new scoring system.

Currently, two of the three major credit reporting bureaus -- TransUnion and Experian -- say medical providers represent only a small percentage of the companies that report payment data to the bureaus each month. It is only when delinquent accounts are sent to collection agencies that the information shows up on consumers' credit reports. That would likely change under a medical FICO scoring system.

Also, some consumer advocates argue that perhaps medical debt should be treated differently. Unlike running up debt purchasing big-screen televisions or Caribbean cruises, medical bills are involuntary for the most part. Should a consumer be held to the same payment standards for medical debt that they are for other kinds of consumer debt?

--Source:  Public Domain article by Connie, Prater, Senior Writer, Credit Cards.com blog, 2/6/08. on their blog web site.

 



Message Edited by RobertEG on 04-14-2008 07:28 PM
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smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO should release their formula

I would imagine some medical bills might go unpaid because the consumer is told by his insurance rep that their carrier is going to pay the bill. Totally unfair to score this area IMO.
Message 95 of 99
Junejer
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO should release their formula

Thanks for that post Robert (I remember reading that), but I know for a fact that I read somewhere that there is a medical report on each of us, similar to a credit report that is accessed by insurance companies to rate us on policies.






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Message 96 of 99
Anonymous
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Re: FICO should release their formula

Robert, thanks for the post.  Could you please edit your post to include a link to the original article and a citation of the source?  Otherwise we'll have to edit it for copyright reasons.
 
Thanks for your cooperation!
 
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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: FICO should release their formula

Good point, Cheddar!!!!  Being an intellectual property lawyer, I should have thought of that!  The article came off a public post submitted by the authors on the Credit.com website by one of the ediitors of that site, and is public domain.  But I will be cognizant of your caution in the future!
If I am going to actively support the right of FairIsaac to keep their intellectual property, then I certainly dont want to vilolate the intellectual property of others!!!
Message 98 of 99
RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: FICO should release their formula

Smallfry, you hit the nail right in the achilles tendon!  Using another medical analogy, this is just not a baby ready 'fo birfin, Miz Scarlett!!!!  I myself, and others I know, have fallen prey to collections popping up on our reports that we were not even aware of being delinquent because they died somewhere in the medical insurance system, and were sent to the collection morgue without us ever even being advised they were sick.  This is NOT an area I want medical system administrators and insurors gaining more control over until such time as they sterilize their own soiled gowns!
 
For those who might want to read a Medical Administrator's views on this topic, see:


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