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Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

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Paj315
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Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

So I’m pretty new to the credit card thing...well credit in general. I got my first credit card in April and a score cannot even be generated for me yet.

Anyway, a couple months ago I joined a credit repair Facebook group just for further learning, in addition to reading all over these forums.

Well, yesterday someone asked a question about credit card utilization and how bad reporting a high balance would be for her score.

I chimed I’m with (at least how I understand cc scoring to work, from what I’ve learned here) the different utilization scoring levels of 8.9%, 28.9% ...88.9% and that you lose points as you cross those thresholds. And that anything over 88.9% is considered maxed.
I got totally slammed by a guy claiming to be a certified Fico coach that all that was not true and he didn’t know where i was getting my info but for no one to listen because you should def keep a 1-3% balance on every card you have for maximum scoring benefit.
I commented back about having a ding for too many cards with balances. He said that’s bs too.

So am I mistaken? Did I understand something incorrectly? Please help me understand since I’m totally new to this game!!
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Anonymous
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Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

You are not wrong.

 

For maximum Fico scoring benefit across all models, allowing just 1 revolving account to report a small [non-zero] balance will never produce a Fico score lower than having more accounts with reported balances.  A "small" balance is often suggested in the $5-$20 range just for simplification purposes, but really anything 8.9% of the CL or less is just fine.  On some profiles additional accounts with balances can be added and score drops not seen, but scores will never be "better" with more accounts reporting balances.  

 

It is worth noting that the one card with a reported balance needs to "count" in the eyes of the Fico algorithm, so it should be a major bank card (store/CU cards are questionable), not an AU card and not a card with an incredibly high (say) $35k+ limit.

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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

You're not mistaken, he's wrong and unless you want to pay interest and/or ruin your credit, leave that group.  Do you really want to be getting advice from "Credit repair group on FB"? 

 

The only thing you're slightly wrong is about this being a "game". It's not. You dont play games with your finances. At best, it's about educating yourself and knowing what to do, when to do it and what not to do. 

 

 

 

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Paj315
Established Member

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

I guess I say “game” because it’s all about making the right moves. I’m Def not interested in playing around with my finances!! This is def serious.

I left the Facebook group right after he pulled out the whole “I’m a certified FICO coach” line. Yes you’re right the group was filled with people just trying to get their bills deleted off their reports, and the group was moderated by a credit repair company. 🙄
Thanks for confirming the info for me!! I love this place, it’s been so helpful for me and my hubs. His EQ score is currently up from 619 to 749, from all the advice I’ve read about on here!!!
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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.


@Paj315 wrote:
I guess I say “game” because it’s all about making the right moves. I’m Def not interested in playing around with my finances!! This is def serious.

I left the Facebook group right after he pulled out the whole “I’m a certified FICO coach” line. Yes you’re right the group was filled with people just trying to get their bills deleted off their reports, and the group was moderated by a credit repair company. 🙄
Thanks for confirming the info for me!! I love this place, it’s been so helpful for me and my hubs. His EQ score is currently up from 619 to 749, from all the advice I’ve read about on here!!!

Good for you. 

I know what you mean by a "game" but it's so easy to get caught up in every little credit minutiae, when in reality all you really need to do going forward is pay bills on time and watch utilization, in addition to only opening accounts when you need credit. 

Congrats on your success with husband's credit! 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.


@Paj315 wrote:
So I’m pretty new to the credit card thing...well credit in general. I got my first credit card in April and a score cannot even be generated for me yet.

Anyway, a couple months ago I joined a credit repair Facebook group just for further learning, in addition to reading all over these forums.

Well, yesterday someone asked a question about credit card utilization and how bad reporting a high balance would be for her score.

I chimed I’m with (at least how I understand cc scoring to work, from what I’ve learned here) the different utilization scoring levels of 8.9%, 28.9% ...88.9% and that you lose points as you cross those thresholds. And that anything over 88.9% is considered maxed.
I got totally slammed by a guy claiming to be a certified Fico coach that all that was not true and he didn’t know where i was getting my info but for no one to listen because you should def keep a 1-3% balance on every card you have for maximum scoring benefit.
I commented back about having a ding for too many cards with balances. He said that’s bs too.

So am I mistaken? Did I understand something incorrectly? Please help me understand since I’m totally new to this game!!

On the internet anyone can claim to be anything. I have no doubt your "certified FICO coach" is a fake.

 

With revolving accounts, the more zero balances the better, except that if no card has a balance, there is a 'ding' in some of the scoring models.

 

When I was newer at this this I was under the misconception that having a lot of small balances was better, and made sure each account reported a $25 balance. Then when the more experienced folks in this forum showed me the way, I abandoned that nonsense, and my scores picked up Smiley Happy In FICO 8 I didn't get killed for having the small balances, but I definitely was leaving points on the table. From what I know now, I bet I was getting killed in my mortgage scores.

 

 


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.

The "certified FICO coach" might be a "certified glue sniffer" also.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.


@Paj315 wrote:
So I’m pretty new to the credit card thing...well credit in general. I got my first credit card in April and a score cannot even be generated for me yet.

I'm new too - first 2 cards in December.

 

I chimed I’m with (at least how I understand cc scoring to work, from what I’ve learned here) the different utilization scoring levels of 8.9%, 28.9% ...88.9% and that you lose points as you cross those thresholds. And that anything over 88.9% is considered maxed.
I got totally slammed by a guy claiming to be a certified Fico coach that all that was not true and he didn’t know where i was getting my info but for no one to listen because you should def keep a 1-3% balance on every card you have for maximum scoring benefit.
I commented back about having a ding for too many cards with balances. He said that’s bs too.

Oh he's definitely 'certifiable'.

 

Show him this: 1 of 2 cards with a balance = major score boost on EQ/TU 8 and AUTO 8/9 scores

The jump in my TU AUTO 9 score was +27pts, which is what GM financial uses for auto leases in many states. So this could be really important to some people.

 

He was close on the '1-3% balance' thing: New credit files have a 4% aggregate utilization threshold (0,4] on FICO 8 models

 

If you keep the total utilization between 0 and 4% vs. between 4 and 9%, you'll get an extra 3pts on EX/EQ 8 and a point on TU 8. This is for our 'new to credit' files, not everyone will see this gain.

That might be enough to put someone in a different tier for an auto loan - say 718 to 721, when the top tier is 720+.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.


@Paj315 wrote:


Well, yesterday someone asked a question about credit card utilization and how bad reporting a high balance would be for her score.



The high balance can reduce scores, but an important clarification is, how high of a balance? 

$250 on a $300 limit is a high utilization, but most CC profiles could pay that down in a day or so. 

$25,000 on a $30,000 limit affects score in much the same way, but likely takes longer to bring down. 

 

The part of credit that is required, is not a game, is to pay at least the minimum payment on all accounts, by the payment due date. 

Everything else about credit is a series of choices we make, both about opening credit, and how much balance to carry. So there are several “game” aspects to it.

 

All Cards Zero Except One is a game people play to optimize their scores. The understanding that there are scoring thresholds in utilization levels is a way of gaming those to improve scores. Opening a share secured loan for $500 instead of buying a new car is a game to improve score.  

 

As long as one does not lose sight of the requirements, paying on time, and has a plan for how to pay for their debt ( very individual situation ) there is nothing wrong with the rest of that persons choices about how to use credit, and nothing wrong with gaming the scoring in your favor. 

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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CreditInspired
Super Contributor

Re: Fico score and credit card utilization...just making sure I’ve got this right.


@Paj315 wrote:
So I’m pretty new to the credit card thing...well credit in general. I got my first credit card in April and a score cannot even be generated for me yet.

Anyway, a couple months ago I joined a credit repair Facebook group just for further learning, in addition to reading all over these forums.

Well, yesterday someone asked a question about credit card utilization and how bad reporting a high balance would be for her score.

I chimed I’m with (at least how I understand cc scoring to work, from what I’ve learned here) the different utilization scoring levels of 8.9%, 28.9% ...88.9% and that you lose points as you cross those thresholds. And that anything over 88.9% is considered maxed.
I got totally slammed by a guy claiming to be a certified Fico coach that all that was not true and he didn’t know where i was getting my info but for no one to listen because you should def keep a 1-3% balance on every card you have for maximum scoring benefit.
I commented back about having a ding for too many cards with balances. He said that’s bs too.

So am I mistaken? Did I understand something incorrectly? Please help me understand since I’m totally new to this game!!

Oh my, he certainly sounds like a jerk and I feel so sorry for others on that FB forum who is getting inaccurate information. Well now you're in the right place where even if your response had been incorrect, which it definitely was not, we have more respect for others opinions. And we are good for saying "IMHO" or an "expert should be along shortly" when we're not quite sure of the answer.


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