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Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

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Anonymous
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Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

It seems that while my Fico 8 scores are one set of numbers, the mortgage version scores 5,4,2 is higher. Is this typically true? I have to wait until next month to see my update Fico 5,4,2 and just trying to make an educated logical guess!
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SouthJamaica
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern


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It seems that while my Fico 8 scores are one set of numbers, the mortgage version scores 5,4,2 is higher. Is this typically true? I have to wait until next month to see my update Fico 5,4,2 and just trying to make an educated logical guess!

I don't know what's typically true, but in my case FICO 8 is always much higher than my mortgage scores.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

Some profiles report higher "mortgage" Fico scores while others report higher Fico 8 scores. 

From what I see 2/3 to 3/4 of posters report having higher Fico 8 scores.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

My mortgage scores for TU and EQ are a lot higher than my Fico 8 scores.

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sueblue34
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

My Fico8 are much higer than my mortgage score


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My mortgage scores for TU and EQ are a lot higher than my Fico 8 scores.


 

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

Don't know where I stand now, but when I purchased my home mortgage scores were about 10 points higher than fico8.
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Anonymous
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

My FICO 8 scores tend to run 25-35 points higher than my FICO 4 scores.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico8 and Fico 5,42 I see a pattern

     Higher or lower really depends, but I feel confident that the algorithms used to calculate mortgage scores place a greater emphasis on installment loans. As anyone knows, who has ever applied for a mortgage (post 2007), that in the application process income is stressed. Even pre-approval, automated underwriting, has locations for “income” – Liar Loans went out with “W”. We all know that the FICO models do not use income (directly) to calculate a score; however, they do use installment loan balances to original amounts as a sub-bucket. For mortgage loan model calculations the monthly payment amount is also used.

 

     I say this from personal experience but have researched the topic as well. Look about half way down post 55 (and 58 for a correction) on this link. http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/Excellent-credit-not-needed/td-p/5158019/page/6 It fundamentally shows the relationship and references the algorithm used.

 

     Mortgage lenders are concerned with your FICO score, but equally (or more in some cases) concerned with your ability to repay a fixed rate loan. A borrower can have a $100K credit card limit, but if they only use 1% of it their monthly payment is very low; however, the lender has no idea how much they will owe next month (so the algorithms look at utilization ratios more). If the borrow has a $100K mortgage (at a fixed interest rate), their monthly payment is known exactly. In this case, if the borrow wants a second mortgage, the lender knows exactly how many more payments the borrow has and how much each one is. If the borrower has low revolving utilization – well the program's prediction abilities beyond individual and total revolving utilization rates is limited.

 

     The more fixed rate installment loans a borrower has (mortgages, auto, finance, school loans etc.), the more exact the mortgage algorithms can predict repayment capabilities for another such loan. That is why mortgage lenders use the 3 FICO mortgage scores (FICO 2, 4, and 5).  I hope this sheds a little more light on the topic; but not making it clear as mud.  

 

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