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I recently had a credit score of 780 and regrettably opened up 2 new credit cards. I now have 3 credit cards and my credit score went down to 741. I am going to apply for a few lease soon and my score will probably get dinged again for another hard pull. Question is how can I get my score back up to the 780 range or higher. I have 100% payment history and roughly 6% utilization rate. My average of of accounts is now 2 years and have 4 accounts open. Please let me know if there is anything I can do other than wait for the inquiries to fall off. In addition, another thing that has been worrying me is my Citi card shows a lower FICO score than my other card and my Credit Karma score, not sure if this is normal. Appreciate the time and help.
The score drop you experienced is the new account penalty and, likely, reduction in your aaoa. Only time (a year) with no new accounts can reverse either. If you had no other accounts less than a year old at the time your new accounts reported, then you also experienced a score card reassignment.
Your citi card is giving you your EQ FICO Bankcard 8 score, which is an industry version of FICO different from your FICO 8 Classic score.
CK is providing scores of the Vantage 3 model which is wholly different from the FICO model and thus, cannot be compared. It is common for Vantage and FICO to differ by as much as +/- 100 points.
The majority of lenders use FICO to make credit decisions. We only know of one (Synchrony) utilizing Vantage and they use Vantage 4, not 3.
You have a total of 28 FICO scores, incl. FICO 8, FICO 9, Mortgage, Auto, and Bankcard industry versions. A lender may use any one of those (tho FICO 8 is most common). It is a good idea to check the disclosures or the FAQ to determine which score model is being provided to you by a lender or other service to avoid confusion.
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@Anonymous wrote:I recently had a credit score of 780 and regrettably opened up 2 new credit cards. I now have 3 credit cards and my credit score went down to 741. I am going to apply for a few lease soon and my score will probably get dinged again for another hard pull. Question is how can I get my score back up to the 780 range or higher. I have 100% payment history and roughly 6% utilization rate. My average of of accounts is now 2 years and have 4 accounts open. Please let me know if there is anything I can do other than wait for the inquiries to fall off. In addition, another thing that has been worrying me is my Citi card shows a lower FICO score than my other card and my Credit Karma score, not sure if this is normal. Appreciate the time and help.
Hi and welcome to the forums! The inquiries will sit on your credit reports for 2 years, however they will cease to in any way affect your scores after 1 year. If your are on a clean scorecard (meaning like you said with no missed payments among other things) you will likely have a small penalty for new accounts being opened within the last 1 year (this is typically a small penalty but can vary.) When you open new accounts that affect your account age, and average total age like you mentioned, that can also cause you to cross aging thresholds in turn causing other dips. The only way to gain the FULL amount of points back at this point is more time. NOW, Credit Karma uses a scoring model known as Vantage Score 3.0. It is meaningless in any lending decisions and cannot be compared to FICO scores which is what your lenders will be using. There are I believe 28 different versions of FICO currently. The one Citi uses is specifically Equifax enhanced Bankcard score 8. Most of the time when people refer to their scores around the forums, they are referring to classic FICO 8. When applying for an auto lease, it is likely the score they'll be using now days is FICO auto 8, which can be different than classic 8 and all of the other versions. (Confusing, right?) Your best course of action to maximize all scores is to let all cards except for 1 report in with a 0 balance, then let 1 card (a major bankcard, non-Chase or Synchrony backed) report in at less than 9%. This will allow for your maximum potential scores at this time. Stick around and ask as many questions as you want, there are a ton of incredibly knowledgeable people around here that are very happy to help in any way they can!
ETA: lol @thornback with the lightning typing! Beat me to it.
@Ficoproblems247 haha... glad you offered the azeo info for score optimization tho - I forgot about that in my mad dash to post 1st 😆
@Anonymous Another thing to keep in mind also is if you are leasing vs financing and that honestly your AUTO score will reflect differently than your Bank scores, if you are over 700 you are sitting in a good position. If you are over 750 of course that is more ideal but you don't have to hit 780 to make a 'much better difference' than that 750. Just food for thought on the Bank Scores. ^^ Your UTL is great and perfect payments is another good thing but they will look into if you have any Vehicle History or will this be your First Car Loan?!
@Anonymous wrote:I have 100% payment history and roughly 6% utilization rate.
When you say you have 100% payment history are you saying that you've never missed a payment (not lates at all on your CR) or are you referencing the Credit Karma graphic that may be telling you 100% payment history? If it's from CK, that front end summary only looks at your payment history for the last 2 years, meaning anything from 2+ to 7 years old on your CR is being ignored from that calculation. This is not how Fico would look at it and late payments that are > 2 years old would still equate to unfavorable payment history and be reflected in your Fico scores.
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@Anonymous wrote:I have 100% payment history and roughly 6% utilization rate.
When you say you have 100% payment history are you saying that you've never missed a payment (not lates at all on your CR) or are you referencing the Credit Karma graphic that may be telling you 100% payment history? If it's from CK, that front end summary only looks at your payment history for the last 2 years, meaning anything from 2+ to 7 years old on your CR is being ignored from that calculation. This is not how Fico would look at it and late payments that are > 2 years old would still equate to unfavorable payment history and be reflected in your Fico scores.
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According to credit karma, I have a 100% payment history, even with over 300 lates (now down to 120 - and still at 100% payment history!) lol because they do not look at closed accounts, only open ones. Same for your average age of accounts - Vantage Score only calculates your open accounts.
I would definitely look into your Fico scores. It is not unheard of to have over 700 Vantage scores and Fico scores in the high 500s. Huge difference! It is not like that for everyone. It may line up closely or exactly, or your Fico scores could be much higher or much lower than you Vantage Scores.
Your Citi Fico score does make it look like your scores should be in good shape, though.
Good reference above using your file to prove that the front end fluff from CK regarding payment history percentage is bogus.
Do keep in mind that VS does in fact count closed accounts into average age of accounts the same way Fico does, just that CKs front end summary software doesn't count the closed accounts the way it should matching the behavior of the VS3 algorithm, thus misleading users.
@Anonymous wrote:Good reference above using your file to prove that the front end fluff from CK regarding payment history percentage is bogus.
Do keep in mind that VS does in fact count closed accounts into average age of accounts the same way Fico does, just that CKs front end summary software doesn't count the closed accounts the way it should matching the behavior of the VS3 algorithm, thus misleading users.
@Anonymous well that is interesting because Vantage Score specifically states that when you close an account it lowers your AAoA. It has always been my understanding that VS only calvulates AAoA with ooen accounts. Where do you see that it is otherwise?
@Anonymous wrote:@Anonymous well that is interesting because Vantage Score specifically states that when you close an account it lowers your AAoA. It has always been my understanding that VS only calvulates AAoA with ooen accounts. Where do you see that it is otherwise?
While the link is dead at this point (from 2016, I believe) this was taken directly from VS:
Myth: When you close a credit card or pay off a loan, you lose the value of the account's age in your credit scores
Fact: As long as an account is on your credit reports it is considered by credit scoring systems, open or closed and with or without a balance. As such, if you were to close a credit card that was opened 10 years ago it would still be seen and measured as a 10 year old account. And, closed accounts continue to age so an account that was closed 3 years ago is 3 years older today. As such, closing accounts will not result in a reduction in your credit scores as a result of the loss of the value of the account’s age.