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crunching_numbers
Valued Contributor

How bad is the ding likely to be?

Oh gosh. I apped and got three new cards. It just hit me that I am going to take a big hit to my scores for this.

 

How big will the hit likely be?

At what point is AAoA "old enough" that it doesn't matter if you drop some? 

What kind of ding is there for new credit?  how long does it take to go away?

 

I needed the 0% BT's, so I had to take the hit, but now I am starting to panic that the hit will be humongous... Smiley Surprised

 

Anyone with establised credit and too high util ever get 3 new cards at once? How bad was the hit? How long before the hit starts to go away? The new available credit will have helped my util% some, but those new cards hitting will be bad won't they?.

 

 


Starting Score: 693 TU FICO, 679 EQ FICO
Current Score: FICO 8 = 844(9/15) EQ, 827 TU, 811 EX (7/15); mortgage FICO= 758 (9/15)EQ5, 797 TU4, 748 EX2 (7/15)
Goal Score: 750+, but shooting for the 800's
Hyatt Visa Sig ($23K), Amex BCP (24.8K), BofA Travel Rew Sig (22.5K), B&N World MC (22.3K), Amex RP Gold (NPSL w/ S&T), Cash+ Sig (20K),United Mil+ExpSig (16.3K), FNBO Visa (13.1K), Hilton Surpass (10K), Freedom Visa Sig (8.6K), Disc It (16.4K), Citi Dia Pref MC (3.7K),Sam's MC (10K), Wally (7.5K), JCP(5.3K), Costco (2K)
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Booner72
Senior Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

Why did you get three new cards?  What are they?

 

I know I've lowered the crap out of my AAoA w/ new accounts, and I know that it has hurt.  My TU score last summer was 653 and I'm still sitting at 650 - My TU score is now clean of collections and a bunch of age now since then.  I'm just riding along bc my AAoA died.

STARTING: 11/24/10 EQ-584 EXP-648 TU04-595
CLOSED FIRST HOME 8/19/11 EQ-630 EXP-691 TU04-653
CURRENT: EQ-701 EXP-??? TU08-720
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crunching_numbers
Valued Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?


@Booner72 wrote:

Why did you get three new cards?  What are they?

 

I know I've lowered the crap out of my AAoA w/ new accounts, and I know that it has hurt.  My TU score last summer was 653 and I'm still sitting at 650 - My TU score is now clean of collections and a bunch of age now since then.  I'm just riding along bc my AAoA died.


I am agressively paying off our humongous CC debt. I wanted to reduce the interest hit we were taking each month (was $1100 when I started Smiley Surprised).  I took out three card trying to get as much 0% as they would let me. The cards were Discover More ($6500 CL), First National Bank Omaha ($6500 CL), and then Citi Diamond Preferred ($3000 CL). I screwed up big time in not rechecking my EX report before apping and there were still $30K of DH's debt that I had removed myself off of (was AU).  I did not get good terms or big CL from Citi because of it. As long as I get the debt down and make sure Citi is at $0 before the promo period ends I will be OK.

 

Even though I added all this available credit, the util% will still be on the high side for a while yet. It takes a while to pay all that off. My AAoA will still be alright I think because I have alot of old closed accounts that have not fallen off yet, and my two Amex cards are from 1999. My damage will be from 3 new accounts I think. I will need them to age. I hope the damage lessens with 3 mos, 6 mos, etc.

 

Anybody have experience with this?


Starting Score: 693 TU FICO, 679 EQ FICO
Current Score: FICO 8 = 844(9/15) EQ, 827 TU, 811 EX (7/15); mortgage FICO= 758 (9/15)EQ5, 797 TU4, 748 EX2 (7/15)
Goal Score: 750+, but shooting for the 800's
Hyatt Visa Sig ($23K), Amex BCP (24.8K), BofA Travel Rew Sig (22.5K), B&N World MC (22.3K), Amex RP Gold (NPSL w/ S&T), Cash+ Sig (20K),United Mil+ExpSig (16.3K), FNBO Visa (13.1K), Hilton Surpass (10K), Freedom Visa Sig (8.6K), Disc It (16.4K), Citi Dia Pref MC (3.7K),Sam's MC (10K), Wally (7.5K), JCP(5.3K), Costco (2K)
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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

Usually I'll take a 2-25 pt hit on average when adding a new account, and that's with and without any impact to AAoA. A couple of years ago I added a Penfed LOC, Amex, and Discover in the same week and did face an approx. 50 point hit on that. AAoA did drop a year, util didn't change (low balances already), took a hit for the new credit, and I was rebucketed. I know that I had been rebucketed because all of the pos/neg items in the FICO report switched around. Total jumble. In every case, including that one, I rebounded with most of the points returned in 6-7 months and the remainder within a year.

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spengbab
Regular Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

I had no CCs and I apped for 4 earlier in Jan-Feb. Score was 660, now it's 636 after some of the balances posted.

It kept going down by 5-7 every time a balance was posted or when the CC reported. 

I'm not alarmed though, it's more of a "strategic hit" to let my AAoA develop over time. I'm in no hurry for credit and I have prime cards Smiley Happy 

Barclaycard Apple Financing (2100), Discover More (2500), US Bank Visa Platinum (2000), CFNA (2200), Chase Freedom (500), Capital One (1500), HSBC Platinum Master Card (750), Nebraska Furniture Mart (1000)
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thom02099
Valued Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

When I got new cards last September, I also took a "ding".  In talking with my loan officer at my credit union,

he said to expect, on average, a 5 point reduction for each card (for the inquiry), but a 10 point increase for the trade line,

once it reported (which could take a month or 2 depending on the statement cycle), for a net of 5 points increase for each

card.  And he was just about spot on in my case.  Did end up taking a nearly 20 point ding for the inquiries but once the

TL reports came in, saw a gradual increase, particularly since the amount of available credit went up and my debt ratio and

utilization factors went down.  YMMV. 

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crunching_numbers
Valued Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

OK, I paid for an updated TU report so it could be my "before" value. I was removed as an AU from $30K worth of debt, bringing my TU FICO up from 693 to 708. I am going to enjoy this 708 while it lasts Smiley Sad. I got 5 points added to my simuator highest result. I think it was from the AAoA going from 8 to 9 years. I will lose that too when the 3 new accts post Smiley Frustrated.

 

Interesting to note:

The first simulator maxed me out at 813, when the student loans were not reporting correctly (this was a transitional fluke from US Dept of ED)

Then the simularor maxed me at 793 with the SL's reporting

Now the simulator maxed me at 798

 

The student loan balance is a 20 pt hit to my max. Good to know, but kind of bittersweet. It will be years before it is gone.


Starting Score: 693 TU FICO, 679 EQ FICO
Current Score: FICO 8 = 844(9/15) EQ, 827 TU, 811 EX (7/15); mortgage FICO= 758 (9/15)EQ5, 797 TU4, 748 EX2 (7/15)
Goal Score: 750+, but shooting for the 800's
Hyatt Visa Sig ($23K), Amex BCP (24.8K), BofA Travel Rew Sig (22.5K), B&N World MC (22.3K), Amex RP Gold (NPSL w/ S&T), Cash+ Sig (20K),United Mil+ExpSig (16.3K), FNBO Visa (13.1K), Hilton Surpass (10K), Freedom Visa Sig (8.6K), Disc It (16.4K), Citi Dia Pref MC (3.7K),Sam's MC (10K), Wally (7.5K), JCP(5.3K), Costco (2K)
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

The ding by the new cards will be overshadowed in about 6 months. The only thing that'll truly "suffer" is the AAOA.

But your overall utilization was absolutely destroyed (positively) by getting these 3 cards. So it all works out in the end. I wouldn't be too worried.

Specially since you no longer have to worry about interest accumulating on those cards and knowing that everything you are paying is the (Principle - BT Fees).

 

Profit!

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atarvuzdar
Established Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?

I say look at the big picture.

 

You used your good credit scores to do what they're supposed to do--get you favorable credit terms that will save you money!

 

If your credit is well-established (meaning you have a high AAoA) then most of the drop in score will probably be just from adding new accounts. Once they age, you'll be fine. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the "pain" will dissipate after 6 months, and just about fully at the year mark--not so bad, really, for getting so much 0% APR.

 

So, in summary, congratulations! Smiley Happy

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / AMEX Gold / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase Freedom Flex $54,400 / Citi Double Cash $21,700 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Gemini $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $25,500 / Chase SP $15,000
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RW771
Frequent Contributor

Re: How bad is the ding likely to be?


@crunching_numbers wrote:

Oh gosh. I apped and got three new cards. It just hit me that I am going to take a big hit to my scores for this.

 

How big will the hit likely be?

At what point is AAoA "old enough" that it doesn't matter if you drop some? 

What kind of ding is there for new credit?  how long does it take to go away?

 

I needed the 0% BT's, so I had to take the hit, but now I am starting to panic that the hit will be humongous... Smiley Surprised

 

Anyone with establised credit and too high util ever get 3 new cards at once? How bad was the hit? How long before the hit starts to go away? The new available credit will have helped my util% some, but those new cards hitting will be bad won't they?.

 

 


@Congrats on the new cards! I too am hunting for a CC and about to apply. I'm just waiting on this one dang card to still report to slow @#! EQ and then I'll be going to the bank!

 

My scores are similiar to yours, so I'm curious as to what limit I might qualify for. I may have to apply for more than 1 to get the amount I'm needing so kinda curious what will happen to my credit too (should I get approved for one even lol).

05/31/2013 672 EQ (Fico), 03/08/2012 697 TU (Fico)

Closed on my first home 12/07/11! Officially a homeowner, thanks to this forum!!!

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