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Inquiry Master Thread - understanding inquiries and how the affect your credit score

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Re: Inquiry Master Thread - demystifying hard inquiries and their effect on your credit score

Maybe another member that has more complete knowledge about the metric can chime in.
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Re: Inquiry Master Thread - demystifying hard inquiries and their effect on your credit score


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Also one more note to add to your knowledge. When you open multiple accounts in a short period of time there's an additional penalty on some versions. You will see a negative reason code many new accounts. It has been theorized it's a 90 day window, but I can't state that conclusively.

 

I believe I have seen it on EX2, I don't know when it goes away. A year, 18 months? IDK. 

@Anonymous: I saw it on EX 2 at AoYA 11mo. It went away at 12mo.

 

With the following, 'Recently opened new account' was there on TU 4, TU Auto 4, TU Bankcard 4, and EX 3.

 

  • AoOA: 2 yr 2 mo
  • AAoA: 1 yr 6 mo
  • AoYA: 1 yr 2 mo

That's the last report I have before opening 2 new accounts and going back to AoYA 1mo.

 

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Re: Inquiry Master Thread - demystifying hard inquiries and their effect on your credit score


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Also one more note to add to your knowledge. When you open multiple accounts in a short period of time there's an additional penalty on some versions. You will see a negative reason code many new accounts. It has been theorized it's a 90 day window, but I can't state that conclusively.

 

I believe I have seen it on EX2, I don't know when it goes away. A year, 18 months? IDK. 

@Anonymous: I saw it on EX 2 at AoYA 11mo. It went away at 12mo.

 

With the following, 'Recently opened new account' was there on TU 4, TU Auto 4, TU Bankcard 4, and EX 3.

 

  • AoOA: 2 yr 2 mo
  • AAoA: 1 yr 6 mo
  • AoYA: 1 yr 2 mo

That's the last report I have before opening 2 new accounts and going back to AoYA 1mo.

 


Hey @Anonymous , is the display tool that you use your creation? If so, very nice.  What is BKC between Auto and VS3 scores?

 

And, glad to see that neither you nor your system have coronavirus..

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Re: Inquiry Master Thread - demystifying hard inquiries and their effect on your credit score


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Hey @Anonymous , is the display tool that you use your creation? If so, very nice.  What is BKC between Auto and VS3 scores?

 

And, glad to see that neither you nor your system have coronavirus..


Thank you, and I hope we all stay that way.

 

BKC is for Bankcard - scores 5,4, and 2, from the top. 27 of the 28 scores provided by FICO Premier are in the grid.

 

EX 3 doesn't fit well in the graphic, so as any good programmer would do, I just convince the world it isn't necessary and carry on. Smiley Happy

(It's 710.)

 

I wrote the base score tracking application last year in C# for Windows 10 (Universal Windows Platform). All I have to do each month is enter the changes which get saved to a local SQLite database (via Entity Framework Core 2.2). From there I can run SQL queries, generate that signature graphic for any point in time, or export query results to Excel or R for charting. .NET Core makes this so very easy.

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Also one more note to add to your knowledge. When you open multiple accounts in a short period of time there's an additional penalty on some versions. You will see a negative reason code many new accounts. It has been theorized it's a 90 day window, but I can't state that conclusively.

 

I believe I have seen it on EX2, I don't know when it goes away. A year, 18 months? IDK. 

@Anonymous: I saw it on EX 2 at AoYA 11mo. It went away at 12mo.

 

With the following, 'Recently opened new account' was there on TU 4, TU Auto 4, TU Bankcard 4, and EX 3.

 

  • AoOA: 2 yr 2 mo
  • AAoA: 1 yr 6 mo
  • AoYA: 1 yr 2 mo

That's the last report I have before opening 2 new accounts and going back to AoYA 1mo.

 


@Anonymous So on EX2, it left at 12 months? Cool. EQ5? Wow, TU4 is holding onto it. 

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I saw it on EX 2 at AoYA 11mo. It went away at 12mo.

 

With the following, 'Recently opened new account' was there on TU 4, TU Auto 4, TU Bankcard 4, and EX 3.

 

  • AoOA: 2 yr 2 mo
  • AAoA: 1 yr 6 mo
  • AoYA: 1 yr 2 mo

That's the last report I have before opening 2 new accounts and going back to AoYA 1mo.


@AnonymousSo on EX2, it left at 12 months? Cool. EQ5? Wow, TU4 is holding onto it. 


I just checked and I have never recorded a 'Recently opened new account' for EQ 5 since I started tracking everything right before getting my first 2 cards in Decemeber 2018. Still not there with the 2 new cards from 2 months ago.

 

Maybe EQ 5 doesn't have that reason code? It's hard to believe that it would be hidden off the list at number 5 or greater the entire time.

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Inquiry lab rat checking in with a curious update.

 

I apped and was approved for a new account on 3/3. EX charged me 7 points on that same day, and classified it as an INQ. No indication of a new account point deduction, only an INQ.

 

On 3/17, the account first reported to the bureaus. 

 

EX: no change

EQ: -3 for a new account

TU: no change

 

I wondered if it might require 30 days for TU to recognize the new account and then charge me some point deduction. Nothing

 

For background, EQ consistently reports highest score. 0 INQs.

TU is consistently my lowest score. 2 scorable INQs; both from CLIs. 4 others fall off later this year; 2 CLI related, 2 approved apps that I did not take as new accounts, and which never indicated a score change at 1 year for either an INQ drop or a new account 1 year aging....

 

I understand the EX hit. 7 points, perhaps a combination of the INQ and new account penalty, but they only report the INQ. Whatever.

I understand the EQ hit. 3 points for a new account. OK, whatever.

I do not understand no TU hit. But I am not complaining, I simply do not understand it.

 

For scorecard experts, here is a question:

-are scorecard assignments made and determined by file (my file) or by bureau? That is, do I have a different assignment for EX, EQ and TU and for new credit, is it driven and determined by INQs or new accounts or both?

 

I could understand that there may be a difference across a day or 2 as events are captured and calculated by each bureau.

 

But once all 3 bureaus are using the same data following a change, is your credit profile exposed to the same or a different scorecard? I mean weeks after a change (such as new or now unscorable INQ; new or aged new account; and after 365 days or 12 months or 1st of the month rules that are unique to each bureau), and once all of the data is the same (with the exception of the bureau on which the INQ was charged)...

 

I have INQ differences between the 3 bureaus. Beyond that, the account open dates, credit limits, credit usage, closed account data are all the same. Mine is a thick, old, clean (yes, there is a "dusty"(my term of choice) vs "dirty" (no pub records, lates, or BKs) profile, but yes,  the difference between bureaus is in INQs, and thereby, in which the new account was initially charged.

 

EQ: 0 INQs scorable or reported. EQ is usually my highest F8 score by ~15 points.

EX: 4 INQs scorable, 1 additional INQ is reported that falls of Dec 2020. EX is usually my middle score, and is the bureau that gets my INQs.

TU: 2 INQs scorable, 4 additional INQs are reported that fall off by Nov 2020. TU is usually my lowest score, 5-10 points lower than EX.

 

So 15 points is less than a 3% scoring difference (F8, 850-300=550; 100/550=.1818 value of a point on a 100 point scale; 15*.1818=2.7%). Not worth quibbling about; for me it is a curiousity - something that I want to try to better understand.

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Re: Inquiry Master Thread - demystifying hard inquiries and their effect on your credit score

One more table.

 

The 3 main scores and 25 subscores with top 3 negative reason codes.

 

Too many cards. >10. Check.

Heavy use of available credit. 3% utilization. Um, check, I guess.

Short credit history. >20 years. Um, check again, I guess. Again.

No recent mortage. Paid one off last year.  Never mind...

 

It is interesting to examine the reason code similarities and differences, and the priority progression of each score.

 

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I saw it on EX 2 at AoYA 11mo. It went away at 12mo.

 

With the following, 'Recently opened new account' was there on TU 4, TU Auto 4, TU Bankcard 4, and EX 3.

 

  • AoOA: 2 yr 2 mo
  • AAoA: 1 yr 6 mo
  • AoYA: 1 yr 2 mo

That's the last report I have before opening 2 new accounts and going back to AoYA 1mo.


@AnonymousSo on EX2, it left at 12 months? Cool. EQ5? Wow, TU4 is holding onto it. 


I just checked and I have never recorded a 'Recently opened new account' for EQ 5 since I started tracking everything right before getting my first 2 cards in Decemeber 2018. Still not there with the 2 new cards from 2 months ago.

 

Maybe EQ 5 doesn't have that reason code? It's hard to believe that it would be hidden off the list at number 5 or greater the entire time.


@Anonymous no EQ5 definitely has the reason code, right now I have the reason code you have recently opened a new account as well as you have recently opened too many accounts. 

Many new accounts is definitely separate from new account for negative reason codes.

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@Anonymous wrote:

Heavy use of available credit. 3% utilization. Um, check, I guess.


Nice tracking with those 2 posts!

 

That 'Heavy use' reason has to be tied to dollar amounts somehow, possibly in combination with 'number of accounts with a balance'.

See here for my reported reason shifts between $539 and $1214.99. Revelate started that thread with some interesting data concerning EX individual utilization.

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