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@Revelate wrote:
@Gardenhand wrote:Question- I have two secured installment loans (sdfcu and aliant). Will paying the installment loans down shorten the length of the loan? I'm under the impression that I can't make early payments and if I pay extra it will go towards the principal.
Alliant has been extensively tested and I Jamie has done it with SDFCU as well: just make a regular payment and it will push the due date way out into the future. There's usually a seperate option for principal only payment, and under every lender I've seen that with it never resets the due date... and that's not what we want in this instance when we're talking FICO strategizing.
Quick question on this... Let's say you you make a $400 payment on your $500 5 year loan. This now pushes your payment back by 48 months. Do you pay interest for those 48 months? How does interest work since your not applying payments to your principal balance but rather paying ahead?
Not being an expert, paying the loan ahead actually shortens the life of the loan somewhat. I am not sure by how much and it is dicussed earlier in this thread. Really paying less interest, may 35 to 50 bucks on the coarse of the loan. Really a none issue.
I am sure someone has or can calculate those figures.
@JagerBombs89 wrote:Quick question on this... Let's say you you make a $400 payment on your $500 5 year loan. This now pushes your payment back by 48 months. Do you pay interest for those 48 months? How does interest work since your not applying payments to your principal balance but rather paying ahead?
Here's my post from earlier in the thread using a $458 prepayment, still no guarantees on the math, and I'd still love to know if anyone has succeeded in pushing regular (monthly) payments from their bank:
@cjc343 wrote:First, some math, may or may not be correct...
A $500 savings-secured loan with a 48 month term is taken out at 2.9%.
The payments come out to $11.05/mo. Assuming no prepayment, a total of about $30.16 is paid in interest.
If $458 is immediately paid back, a $42 balance is left. Since the majority of the interest is no longer to be paid, approximately 3 billing periods are removed from the loan.
A $1/mo (actually $0.99) payment will cause the loan to be fully paid after 45 months without ever generating a statement with a nonzero minimum payment.
Total interest paid over 45 months is ~$2.38.
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Some questions, may not all be answerable, but if you know any of them or have any insight, it'd be much appreciated:
1. Any reasons why the math above is not true?
2. Earlier in the thread it sounded like Alliant will not support $1 recurring monthly transfers. Can I push payment from my bank account (bill pay) directly to the loan instead? Or must each payment be set up manually through Alliant?
3. Is there a limit to the number of savings secured loans you can have open at once (with Alliant)?
4. Is there a # of installment lines where further open installment lines no longer have a positive impact on scoring?
5. Is there an installment utilization rate below which further decreasing utilization (by opening and prepaying more or larger secured loans) no longer has a positive impact on scoring?
@cjc343 wrote:
@JagerBombs89 wrote:Quick question on this... Let's say you you make a $400 payment on your $500 5 year loan. This now pushes your payment back by 48 months. Do you pay interest for those 48 months? How does interest work since your not applying payments to your principal balance but rather paying ahead?
Here's my post from earlier in the thread using a $458 prepayment, still no guarantees on the math, and I'd still love to know if anyone has succeeded in pushing regular (monthly) payments from their bank:
@cjc343 wrote:First, some math, may or may not be correct...
A $500 savings-secured loan with a 48 month term is taken out at 2.9%.
The payments come out to $11.05/mo. Assuming no prepayment, a total of about $30.16 is paid in interest.
If $458 is immediately paid back, a $42 balance is left. Since the majority of the interest is no longer to be paid, approximately 3 billing periods are removed from the loan.
A $1/mo (actually $0.99) payment will cause the loan to be fully paid after 45 months without ever generating a statement with a nonzero minimum payment.
Total interest paid over 45 months is ~$2.38.
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Some questions, may not all be answerable, but if you know any of them or have any insight, it'd be much appreciated:
1. Any reasons why the math above is not true?
2. Earlier in the thread it sounded like Alliant will not support $1 recurring monthly transfers. Can I push payment from my bank account (bill pay) directly to the loan instead? Or must each payment be set up manually through Alliant?
3. Is there a limit to the number of savings secured loans you can have open at once (with Alliant)?
4. Is there a # of installment lines where further open installment lines no longer have a positive impact on scoring?
5. Is there an installment utilization rate below which further decreasing utilization (by opening and prepaying more or larger secured loans) no longer has a positive impact on scoring?
Thanks for the update. I didn't search each post to see if it was covered. However, I thought that "prepayments" were treated differently than "principal payments"? And by different, I thought that even if you prepay something, you still pay the interest for those months, since the payments are applied to the backend of the loan. If you wanted to avoid interest, you would need to make the principal-only payment. Thus, even if you make a $458 payment, $20 of that *may* be interest that is being prepaid before being applied to interest.
I hope that made sense, lol. This is what I was trying to find out for sure. However, hopefully your calculations are correct and you only pay like $2 in interest
@JagerBombs89 wrote:Thanks for the update. I didn't search each post to see if it was covered. However, I thought that "prepayments" were treated differently than "principal payments"? And by different, I thought that even if you prepay something, you still pay the interest for those months, since the payments are applied to the backend of the loan. If you wanted to avoid interest, you would need to make the principal-only payment. Thus, even if you make a $458 payment, $20 of that *may* be interest that is being prepaid before being applied to interest.
I hope that made sense, lol. This is what I was trying to find out for sure. However, hopefully your calculations are correct and you only pay like $2 in interest
Makes perfect sense and at the heart of it, that's exactly what I'm trying to figure out I just phrased it in terms of asking people to validate my math. If I screwed up the math because I didn't understand how the prepayments are being applied to and affecting the loan, and the amount of interest paid isn't changing, I want to know...
At the end of the day, from my perspective, if it's under $50 interest on the life of the loan, its all good.
I have no reason to disagree with your numbers or anyone else's. Figure a buck a month for 20-30 point higher FICO score, no hard inquiry, increase in credit mix, is worth it.
I have paid a lot of money for much sillier things in my life time. :-)
Has a consensus developed yet on the installment loan balance threshholds for score boosts (90%, 80% and 66% are all discussed)? Also, do these boosts depend on paying down the aggregate balance below these threshholds or paying down the individual balances below them?
@mster wrote:Has a consensus developed yet on the installment loan balance threshholds for score boosts (90%, 80% and 66% are all discussed)? Also, do these boosts depend on paying down the aggregate balance below these threshholds or paying down the individual balances below them?
From what i've read in this thread it appears to me that the major point gain comes when your aggregate balance goes below 10%.
The OP mentions <80% and <65% as the threshholds that he's identified and my numbers line up with this. I also see a <90% threshhold. Going anything beyond the <65% threshhold seems to offer minimal increases and for anything <35% it's questionable if there is any gain to be had at all.
@manyquestions Reread back a few pages and yes, adding a new installment loan and then immediately paying it down to just under <10% can give you a score boost *if you currently have no installment loans*. The main benefit here is coming from increasing your perceived credit mix - I'm sure paying the new loan down to <66% or <33% would also minimize the high util hit from the new installment loan and allow the increased mix benefit to shine through similarly. If it's a $500 loan you setup explicitly for the goal of bumping your score then I agree that there's no reason not to immediately pay it down to <10% to make absolutely sure that you're receiving the full possible benefit.
My questions are about how to structure prepayments towards existing installment loans for the purposes of extracting the highest possible fico benefit.