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Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

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DollyLama
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

When is your next 3B report due to be pulled? Check the number of accounts of last report vs new report, is it possible you had an old closed loan or card age off your file(s)?  Did you have a CC that has not been used in quite awhile and the creditor closed it for inactivity?

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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

i see all the questioning that something may have changed on my report. I know where my accounts are at and nothing was paid off. Closed, nothing either.

At this point I’ll wait and see how next months reporting goes.
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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

You all were right! But still, now I’m confused even more.

Capital one increased my credit line! But isn’t that a good thing? It’s not a hard pull after speaking with them.

So why would my score drop?
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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

A credit line increase cannot cause your score to drop, unless the CL increases to a crazy high number (like 55k).

 

The only way someone could make reasonable guesses as to what caused the score drop is if he were to see a complete copy of the report before and another complete copy of the report after.  It's unlikely that you have printed copies of both reports drawn with full new data on seperate dates.  Without that we may simply never know.

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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

How is this a bad thing?  Smh.A6A8EB52-2A5C-4656-8CB9-A63D7E82EA93.png

 

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DollyLama
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?


@Anonymous wrote:

How is this a bad thing?  Smh.A6A8EB52-2A5C-4656-8CB9-A63D7E82EA93.png

 


Because FICO does not want ALL revolving credit to report zero balances each month, always let one report less than 8.9% of it's credit limit.  Reason it states that people represent a low risk with low balances (reported) pose a low risk.  The opposite of reported too many balances or high utilization is dinged as much as no balances.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?


@DollyLama wrote:

@Anonymous

Because FICO does not want ALL revolving credit to report zero balances each month, always let one report less than 8.9% of it's credit limit.  Reason it states that people represent a low risk with low balances (reported) pose a low risk.  The opposite of reported too many balances or high utilization is dinged as much as no balances.


That's not always true (profile dependent) concerning number of accounts reporting. During my year long experiment going from 5 accounts reporting to AZ and back out to 7 out of 8 accounts reporting, lost 16 points at AZ across the board, from AZEO to 7 cards there were no scoring changes for Experian, maybe 2-3 points on Equifax and 3-5 points on TransUnion. All Zero had the heaviest penalty by far, scores with all charges reporting to 7 out of 8 cards (4-5% aggregate UTI) currently sits at 827/EX, 825/TU and 817/EQ.

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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

Apologies. What’s ‘AZ’?
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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

AZ = All Zero, $0 balance on every card.

 

AZEO = All Zero Except One

 

AZE2 = All Zero Except 2

 

AZE3 = ...etc.

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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off CC debt (FICO algorithm)?

Consider three guys, Bob, Joe, and Fred.  All have four cards.  For all three guys all cards are reporting zero.

 

In Bob's case, that's because he has never used his cards for the last two years.

 

In Joe's case, it's because he recently paid all cards to zero, but usually he has 1-2 cards with a small balance (different cards each month usually).

 

In Fred's case he uses all four cards each month but always pays the card to zero before the statement prints.

 

Historically FICO has never been able to tell the difference between the three guys.  All FICO could see is that their cards were (currently) at zero.  The three guys represent different levels of risk: Joe and Fred are demonstrating that they know how to use credit and neverthless never miss a payment and have very low debt.  In Bob's case, the fact that he hasn't been late is much less meaningful.  As far as FICO knows, the only reason he's never late is because he hasn't used the cards.  If he ever needs to use them, he might run up debt or have trouble paying on time.

 

The key issue for FICO was somehow trying to detect whether the person was actually a user of his credit cards.  And for most of FICO's history, the only way to do that was to see if at least one card was reporting a positive balance.

 

In future models (e.g. FICO 10) it is possible that FICO might leverage a comparatively new thing called Trended Data, in which case FICO will be able to determine if you use your cards even if they all currently show $0.  None of the big FICO models now (including FICO 9) use TD.  Vantage 4 does use TD, so perhaps FICO 10 will attempt to do that.

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