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My question is my TU report has no inquiries on it. I am seriously thinking of joining NFCU without applying for any credit product atm. I know NFCU HPs for membership. Is the inquiry coded differently for non-credit related reasons? Does FICO scoring treat these type of inquiries differently then credit seeking inquiries. Can potential future lenders tell the difference?
Thanks everyone
@Meanmchine wrote:My question is my TU report has no inquiries on it. I am seriously thinking of joining NFCU without applying for any credit product atm. I know NFCU HPs for membership. Is the inquiry coded differently for non-credit related reasons? Does FICO scoring treat these type of inquiries differently then credit seeking inquiries. Can potential future lenders tell the difference?
Thanks everyone
I don't think it is coded differently. My IQ from membership and applying for credit is listed the exact same way on my TU report.
Many of the DPs for NFCU have shown they stopped HP for membership.
Now, I don't know for certain but that's been the case for many.
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Personal-Finance/NFCU-Membership/td-p/5231916
Here is a thread that discusses whether Navy does a hard pull simply for becoming a member. The consensus appears to be no, as long as the person opens a plain savings account. Opening a checking account increases the chance of a hard pull apparently.
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Personal-Finance/Navy-Fed-CU-hard-pull-to-join/td-p/5160855/page/6
There are mixed reports nonetheless.
When a party requests your credit report from a CRA, they must provide a statement of their permissible purpose for the inquiry, which must be one or more of the reasons set forth under FCRA 604.
The FCRA permits inquiries for business purposes other than the extension of credit to the consumer.
One of the stated permissible purposes is that the inquiry relates to a business transaction for which there is a legitimate business need for the business to review your credit as part of their approval process. Notable examples are apartment rentals, utilities, and bank accounts.
Internal account reviews by creditors pertaining to existing accounts and by debt collectors, which are unrelated to both new credit or business transactions, are also permissible,
Each permissible purpose has its own code, so yes, business purpose inquiries are coded different than consumer-initiated requests for credit.
The permissible purpose code can also result in certain types of inquiries automatically being coded as soft, and thus are not seen by anyone else other than the named consumer, and thus excluded from scoring. Typical examples are internal account reviews and consumer pulls of their own reports.
You can see the codes yourself if you obtain one of the more comprehensive credit reports, such as the government-sanctioned reports obtained via annualcreditreport.com
I opened my NFCU share savings account in Sept 2018. NFCU would not complete the process until I thawed my TU bureau file.
Thank you RobertEG
As always, your replies truely illuminating
I took NO HP for joining in October 2018
Fascinating. As we see, there are mixed experiences regarding whether there will be a hard pull simply for joining. About 2/3 of the people who volunteer an answer say that they had no hard pull.
Medic's experience certainly suggests that Navy wanted to pull his report. It's not at all clear that the pull would have been a hard pull. The fact that his reports were frozen would have prevented a soft pull as well as a hard pull.
Some of the people who experience a hard pull also opened a checking account at the same time, which might increase the probability of a hard pull.