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Rebucketing

I have 120 day lates as recent as 12/14 for my student loans.  I have 0 lates for revolving or installment credit.  Will those 120 day late mean I won't rebucket or even get to 700 until they fall off? Smiley Frustrated  I swear I read somewhere that the 30 and 60 eventually stop being an issue, but over 90 will hurt you until the very end.  

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Anonymous
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My understanding is that 30-60's impact for the same length of time (2 years) and 90-120+ impact for the same length of time (7 years).  90+ lates are rough, that's for sure.

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@Anonymous wrote:

My understanding is that 30-60's impact for the same length of time (2 years) and 90-120+ impact for the same length of time (7 years).  90+ lates are rough, that's for sure.


Brutal.

Really? 90-120 impact for 7 years? This is the first time I am learning this. If that is the case, it explains a couple things. I have 10 at 120 days. 9 fall off by June 17, then 1 Dec 17. All paid... I hope I can get some traction with GWs... 

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RonM21
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Yeah the 90 and above I think have worst and longest impact vs the 60 and 30 day lates.


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Anonymous
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Well, 18 months and for me they will all be gone. Maybe with some GW I'll have some early light at the end of the tunnel I collapsed on myself...

 

Found on Credit.com

 

Because scoring systems are so focused on predicting whether or not you’ll go at least 90 days late, surprisingly, 30 or 60 day late payments that occurred long ago are actually not that damaging to your credit scores as long as it is an isolated incident. It’s when your accounts are recently reported 30 or 60 days past due on your credit reports that your credit scores plummet temporarily.

If 30 or 60 day late payments are an infrequent occurrence, they shouldn’t cause lasting damage to your credit score unless they are recent (last two years or so) or 30 or 60 day late payments on a regular basis. In this case, the fact that you are habitually late with your payments will cause long term damage to your credit scores.

It’s a whole new ballgame once you have a 90 day late payment, however. If you have been over 90 days late (even just once), the credit scoring models consider you much more likely to do it again. One 90 day late payment will damage your credit for up to seven years. From a scoring perspective, a single 90 day late payment is as damaging to your credit scores as a bankruptcy filing, a tax lien, a collection, a judgment or repossession. Being 90 days late causes you to be viewed as a possible “repeat offender” and a higher risk to creditors. Here’s a summary of how late payments impact your credit scores:

  • 30 days late – This record will damage your credit scores most when it is recent. The exception is if you are 30 days late often. Otherwise, a single 30-day late payment should not cause lasting damage.
  • 60 days late – Similarly, recent 60 day late payments cause the most damage. Again, the exception is if you are 60 days late often which will certainly hurt your scores. Otherwise, one late payment should not cause long term damage.
  • 90 days late – This record will damage your credit scores significantly for up to 7 years. It doesn’t make a difference whether or not your account is currently 90 days late. Remember, the goal of the scoring model is to predict whether or not you will pay 90 days late or later on any credit obligation. By showing that you have already done so means that you are more likely to do it again compared to someone who has never been 90 days late. As such, your credit scores will drop.
  • 120+ days late – Late payment reporting beyond the initial 90 day missed payment does not cause additional credit score damage directly. However, there is an indirect impact to your scores. At this point, your debt is usually “charged off” or sold to a 3rd party collection agency. Both of these occurrences are reported on your credit files and will lower your credit scores further.

 

 

 

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

My understanding is that 30-60's impact for the same length of time (2 years) and 90-120+ impact for the same length of time (7 years).  90+ lates are rough, that's for sure.


Brutal.

Really? 90-120 impact for 7 years? This is the first time I am learning this. If that is the case, it explains a couple things. I have 10 at 120 days. 9 fall off by June 17, then 1 Dec 17. All paid... I hope I can get some traction with GWs... 


Yes sir, 7 years.  It's rough, no doubt.  If you have 9 of your 10 falling off in a week and the final one later this year there's honestly probably not much point in GW as they are all about to come off.  I mean maybe that final one... but either way, you should see a nice bump to your scores when they are all gone.  Do you have any 90+ lates in the last 6 years?

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Anonymous
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It's one year and one week before they drop off. No, the last late I have is 12/10, they all are CO after that. Unfortunately I had a state tax lien filed recently, which was paid same day. I was completely in the dark over it. That will create a ripple in my scoring model when the others drop next year. It's only on 2 of the CBs. I hope to have it removed, as it has already been released. I may need to petition (with an attorney) to vacate the lien since I can prove I have not lived in that state for 5 years. I've read where in AL you can have liens removed post release. 

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Anonymous
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So is it even possible to get a higher score (I'm absolutely fine with low 700s) with a 120 showing, even if older.  I am so sad now.  I have been working so hard.  I've made great progress  --mid 400s to mid 600s, but I guess I may be stuck here for awhile.

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Anonymous
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Very interesting read.  Never knew any of this.  Smiley Wink  So my fico just went up another 2 points and now at 795.  Does this mean when I hit 800 I will get dropped in another bucket and be down at the bottom where all the goo is?

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Anonymous
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Yes, it's possible.  I have a 120 from 2013 on my profile as well as a 90 from 2014, both of which will impact my scores for 7 years unless I can obtain some sort of GW adjustment and I've had zero luck in that department with both.  Even with that 120 and 90 holding back my scores all 3 of my FICO 08's are in the 730's.  I do believe, however, that my scores have more or less peaked and that it will be very difficult for me to squeeze much more out of them where I'm at now.  I do have a 60 day late which hits the 2 year mark in August, so in 2 months when that stops impacting my scores maybe I'll grab another 5-10 points but I wouldn't be surprised if it was only 2-3 points based on that 120 and 90 holding me back.

 

The reason IMO why I'm still able to achieve 730's with the 2 major derogs on there (120 + 90) is because my file is relatively thick; I've got an AAoA of 7.8 years and my oldest accounts are 15-16 years (5 of them). 

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