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Patient957
Established Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

3) for a 3 card profile with  2 revolving and 1 open (charge) account best case is 1 of 3 with the reporting card being a revolver. Next best is 2 of 3 (say 2-5 point loss), then 3 of 3 (say 4-9 point loss) Worst is 0 of 3 and 1 of 3 with the reporting card being the charge card.


Welcome to the complexities of the 2 revolver + 1 charge card setup.   Luckily we have @Thomas_Thumb to break it all down for us.

 

Life is certainly much simpler FICO-wise with a handful of sock drawered cards reporting zero balances.

Message 11 of 18
CoffeeLover
New Member

Re: Too many accounts with balances

Wow, thank you soooo much to all of you for helping me putting this mystery pieces together!

 

I didn’t realize the expectation around no-balance revolving accounts. I’ve always used my cards for specific purposes, like maximizing rewards. For example, one card for travel, another for groceries, and so on.

 

From what I understand now, it sounds like I should have “dummy” revolving accounts with zero balances if I want to keep using my current cards and maximize my credit score. It feels a bit odd to do that (I’d prefer not to have more cards than I actually use), but it seems like that’s just how the system works.

Message 12 of 18
Varsity_Lu
Established Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@CoffeeLover wrote:

Wow, thank you soooo much to all of you for helping me putting this mystery pieces together!

 

I didn’t realize the expectation around no-balance revolving accounts. I’ve always used my cards for specific purposes, like maximizing rewards. For example, one card for travel, another for groceries, and so on.

 

From what I understand now, it sounds like I should have “dummy” revolving accounts with zero balances if I want to keep using my current cards and maximize my credit score. It feels a bit odd to do that (I’d prefer not to have more cards than I actually use), but it seems like that’s just how the system works.


Crazy, isn't it? Pay off all cards and have 0% utilization? Score goes down. Pay off your car or home loan? Score goes down. Close a card that you no longer use? Score goes down. It's like they punish you for good behavior. Sigh...

 

You sound very responsible and wise in how you manage your finances. Your score will rebound. Everything I've read says as long as you are above 750 or so, you are getting the best rates and benefits. My guess is you'll bounce back to 810s+ by March.

Blue Cash PreferredBlue Cash Everyday (AU)Hilton HonorsSavorQuicksilverVoice Rewards + Perks Checking
Mechanics Savings BankHuntington National BankCapital One, N.A.American Express National BankFidelity Investments
FICO® 8: 802 (Eq) · 795 (Ex) · 775 (TU)
VS® 3.0: 773 (Eq) · 768 (Ex) · 763 (TU)

Message 13 of 18
GZG
Senior Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@CoffeeLover wrote:

Wow, thank you soooo much to all of you for helping me putting this mystery pieces together!

 

I didn’t realize the expectation around no-balance revolving accounts. I’ve always used my cards for specific purposes, like maximizing rewards. For example, one card for travel, another for groceries, and so on.

 

From what I understand now, it sounds like I should have “dummy” revolving accounts with zero balances if I want to keep using my current cards and maximize my credit score. It feels a bit odd to do that (I’d prefer not to have more cards than I actually use), but it seems like that’s just how the system works.


there's also something else to consider 

 

not all credit scores of the same credit score are equal when it comes to underwriting, a strong credit profile can be important too

 

compare these two profiles: 

 

3 credit cards

10 years age of credit history

average limit of cards $500

no loans

 

15 credit cards

3 paid off car loans in the $40-75k range

active 500k mortgage, paid down 75%

average limit of cards $10,000

10 years of credit history

 

both profiles have the same score, who would you like to lend to? 

 

it may or may not matter for interest rates on a mortgage or a car loan, but having a stronger profile can definitely help for new credit cards

 

there's nothing wrong with only having a couple of credit cards and never building out a robust credit profile with a ton of products, just a thought to consider that an "820" credit score isn't the same as other "820" credit scores

Starting FICO 8:
Current FICO 8:



3/6, 3/12, 7/24 new accounts
Message 14 of 18
Varsity_Lu
Established Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@GZG wrote:

3 paid off car loans in the $40-75k range

active 500k mortgage, paid down 75%

10 years of credit history


Wow! Bought 3 cars and paid off $375k of a half mil loan in 10 years! That's a heck of a job straight out of college!

Blue Cash PreferredBlue Cash Everyday (AU)Hilton HonorsSavorQuicksilverVoice Rewards + Perks Checking
Mechanics Savings BankHuntington National BankCapital One, N.A.American Express National BankFidelity Investments
FICO® 8: 802 (Eq) · 795 (Ex) · 775 (TU)
VS® 3.0: 773 (Eq) · 768 (Ex) · 763 (TU)

Message 15 of 18
GZG
Senior Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@Varsity_Lu wrote:

@GZG wrote:

3 paid off car loans in the $40-75k range

active 500k mortgage, paid down 75%

10 years of credit history


Wow! Bought 3 cars and paid off $375k of a half mil loan in 10 years! That's a heck of a job straight out of college!


seems the example was a tad too illustrative or magical Smiley LOL 

Starting FICO 8:
Current FICO 8:



3/6, 3/12, 7/24 new accounts
Message 16 of 18
NoHardLimits
Established Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@GZG wrote:

@Varsity_Lu wrote:

@GZG wrote:

3 paid off car loans in the $40-75k range

active 500k mortgage, paid down 75%

10 years of credit history


Wow! Bought 3 cars and paid off $375k of a half mil loan in 10 years! That's a heck of a job straight out of college!


seems the example was a tad too illustrative or magical Smiley LOL 


Actually, it could be quite feasible with the right career (e.g.  investment banker) or an inheritance.  Even college athletes are getting NIL deals these days.

June 2025 Scorecard: Clean, Thick, Mature, New Revolver
FICO8:
FICO9:
VantageScore3:
Inquiries (n/12, n/24):
AAoA: 11 yrs | AoORA: 37 yrs | AoYRA: less than 1 yr | New Accounts: 0/6, 1/12, 2/24 | Util: 1% | DTI: 1%
Message 17 of 18
Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Too many accounts with balances


@GZG wrote:

@CoffeeLover wrote:

Wow, thank you soooo much to all of you for helping me putting this mystery pieces together!

 

From what I understand now, it sounds like I should have “dummy” revolving accounts with zero balances if I want to keep using my current cards and maximize my credit score. It feels a bit odd to do that (I’d prefer not to have more cards than I actually use), but it seems like that’s just how the system works.


there's also something else to consider. Not all credit scores of the same credit score are equal when it comes to underwriting,  compare these two profiles: 

 

3 credit cards

10 years age of credit history

average limit of cards $500

no loans

 

15 credit cards

3 paid off car loans in the $40-75k range

active 500k mortgage, paid down 75%

average limit of cards $10,000

10 years of credit history

 

both profiles have the same score, who would you like to lend to? 

 

it may or may not matter for interest rates on a mortgage or a car loan, but having a stronger profile can definitely help for new credit cards

 

there's nothing wrong with never building out a robust credit profile with a ton of products, just a thought to consider that an "820" credit score isn't the same as other "820" credit scores


I prefer the profile with 3 credit cards. He pays cash for cars and keeps each 7 years on average before replacing. Last year he requested a cut on his card CLs due to concern over fraud. (Otherwise card CLs are not going to be $500 with 10 years history). His $250k annual base salary is solid and $500k after tax savings is impressive. $750k mortgage loan on a $1M home with 25% down approved!

 

Profile #2 with the same base pay looks promising but has minimal after tax savings. Cash poor due to purchasing/selling cars every 3 years and loan payments on cars and home. New home purchase will be contingent on sale of existing home for $250k downpayment.

 

Regarding new credit card SLs profile # 2 would likely receive 5x that of profile #1

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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