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What counts: Util. on Card(s) or TOTAL?

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What counts: Util. on Card(s) or TOTAL?

I've seen some conflicting advice here, and wonder if we could clear it up?
 
When FICO figures the score, does it take into account the utilizaiton on a per card basis... or on a total debt/available credit ratio?
 
For example, let's say.....
  • I have one card with a $1000 limit, and $500 on it... that's a 50% util. on that CARD...
  • ..and another with a $1000 limit and $750 on it.... that's a 75% util on that CARD....

 

  • AND I have 2 additional cards, one with  a $1000 limit, but no balance.... and one with a $2000 limit and no balance = 0% Utilization on those CARDS

So how does FICO figure my utilization score?

When I was trying to work the numbers, I saw only two straight percentage options:
 
  • Total utilization: Percentage of Utilization of total credit limit:  $1250/$5000 = utilization of 25%
  • Average Utilization: Average % utilization per card: 50% + 75% divided by 4 (total # of cards)  = utilization of 31.25%
Are there other straight percentage options I'm missing?
 
Or... does it run some kind of metric when utilization on each card reaches a certain point there's an additional 'point system' ... that for each card  over a certain percentage, it is assigned a different (worse) point value and those are averaged together.  If that's the case, does anyone know what THAT looks like? 
 
As you can see... it really matters/makes a difference!  I would think the answer would really help some of us figure out how many cards to have, etc...
 
Does anyone know?  I dont' see anywhere where it tells me my percentage utilization as they see it for me to work the figures backwards..
 
Sovi
 
 
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Re: What counts: Util. on Card(s) or TOTAL?

They look at it both ways. The utilization on each card, AND the utilization on all cards combined(ie: total cc balances/total cl's)

I hope that helps
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Sylviatob wrote:
They look at it both ways. The utilization on each card, AND the utilization on all cards combined(ie: total cc balances/total cl's)

I hope that helps

*smile* -- short and sweet answer to the question.   Any clue on how they do it?
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No one really knows-
 
I have a few examples- These are mine-
43% Overall utl to 7% utl for me was 80 Points
 
While still having 5% overall UTl- having one card just over 30% utl cost me 10 points- 

Paying all revolving to $0 cost me -20 points. 
 
-many experts tell me that IND and overall count the SAME-
HOWEVER- In my Experaince the overall UTL has counted much more.    

Soviyana wrote:


Sylviatob wrote:
They look at it both ways. The utilization on each card, AND the utilization on all cards combined(ie: total cc balances/total cl's)

I hope that helps

*smile* -- short and sweet answer to the question.   Any clue on how they do it?



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Timothy wrote:
 
.......

Paying all revolving to $0 cost me -20 points. 
 
-many experts tell me that IND and overall count the SAME-
HOWEVER- In my Experaince the overall UTL has counted much more.    

Paying it all down to 0 cost you 20 points????  Ouch.
 
I wonder... if I PIF every month BEFORE the statement hits... does the CR show me as at a $0 for the month? 
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Soviyana wrote:


Timothy wrote:
 
.......

Paying all revolving to $0 cost me -20 points. 
 
-many experts tell me that IND and overall count the SAME-
HOWEVER- In my Experaince the overall UTL has counted much more.    

Paying it all down to 0 cost you 20 points????  Ouch.
 
I wonder... if I PIF every month BEFORE the statement hits... does the CR show me as at a $0 for the month? 


Yes, for those cards that report the statement balance which is virtually all of them.  HSBC is the only exception I am aware of; they report the balance on the last business day of each month).
 
The reason for taking a hit for having all zero balances is that FICO gives more points to those who demonstrate responsible use of credit.  All zero balances makes FICO think you are not using your credit at all.
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The reason for taking a hit for having all zero balances is that FICO gives more points to those who demonstrate responsible use of credit.  All zero balances makes FICO think you are not using your credit at all.


So..... The only way to help my credit scores in this situation is to pay a little interest on small balances?  :Smiley Frustratedhaking Head:: 

Either we pay $$ (interest)  or we pay $$ with lower scores...
 
 Figures the formula wouldn't be something actually, well.... helpful to the consumer.  At least I know!
 
Thanks,
 
Sovi
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Soviyana wrote:

The reason for taking a hit for having all zero balances is that FICO gives more points to those who demonstrate responsible use of credit.  All zero balances makes FICO think you are not using your credit at all.


So..... The only way to help my credit scores in this situation is to pay a little interest on small balances?  :Smiley Frustratedhaking Head:: 

Either we pay $$ (interest)  or we pay $$ with lower scores...
 
 Figures the formula wouldn't be something actually, well.... helpful to the consumer.  At least I know!
 
Thanks,
 
Sovi



Nope.  It is not necessary to pay any interest in order to let balances report.  You only pay interest on a balance you carry from month to month, but a balance will be reported as long as it appears on a statement.
 
What you can do is to make a small charge of 9% or less of the CL on a single card, then let the statement cut with that balance, and pay the balance in full by the due date.  No interest.  Less than 10% utilization reported.  Everyone's happy.
 
Lately I have had reported utilization of anywhere from 4-12%, but I have never paid interest on any credit card.
 
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I'll have to check my statements, but I think I only have a 20 day grace period (max) on my cards....  Is that typical?  Does that mean I should be timing accordingly?  (hmmmmmmmmmm). 
 
Plus, a few of my cards use a 2 statement cycle average.  For example, I got the balance of one of my cards down to zero, and the next statement I saw an interest charge for $12.  I called and asked, and was told they took the average of the last 60 days every month. So I had to pay $12 extra I could've used at... umm...... Chipotle?  Smiley Happy
 
Thanks for the info though.. I hadn't thought of that.


cheddar wrote:

Nope.  It is not necessary to pay any interest in order to let balances report.  You only pay interest on a balance you carry from month to month, but a balance will be reported as long as it appears on a statement.
 
What you can do is to make a small charge of 9% or less of the CL on a single card, then let the statement cut with that balance, and pay the balance in full by the due date.  No interest.  Less than 10% utilization reported.  Everyone's happy.
 
Lately I have had reported utilization of anywhere from 4-12%, but I have never paid interest on any credit card.
 



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Soviyana wrote:
I'll have to check my statements, but I think I only have a 20 day grace period (max) on my cards....  Is that typical?  Does that mean I should be timing accordingly?  (hmmmmmmmmmm). 
 
Plus, a few of my cards use a 2 statement cycle average.  For example, I got the balance of one of my cards down to zero, and the next statement I saw an interest charge for $12.  I called and asked, and was told they took the average of the last 60 days every month. So I had to pay $12 extra I could've used at... umm...... Chipotle?  Smiley Happy
 
Thanks for the info though.. I hadn't thought of that.


You actually probably have a min 20 day period, not max.  The grace period is the time from the day of the purchase until the day that purchase begins accruing finance charges.  If there are 20 days between the statement date and the due date, that means you will always have at least 20 days from each purchase until the time when it starts accruing interest.
 
As long as you pay the statement balance in full by the due date, you will never have to pay interest.  This is also true of two-cycle billing.  The "average of the last 60 days" thing only applies if they are charging you interest in the first place.  If you pay in full by the due date there is no difference between a two-cycle card and an average daily balance card.  Both will cost $0 in finance charges.


Message Edited by cheddar on 03-26-2008 02:12 PM
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