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I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

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jaxstraw
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

Thanks.
Just trying to establish some true DP's for whoever might apply.
HP on my biz credit don't bother me either but I just needed some clarification if the SP was verified and not a biz pull.
It seems you did that.
Like I said earlier I ultimately might end up denied even with a recon try but would definitely like to establish if it's biz EX or EQ they pull.
Jax

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Message 21 of 125
bourgogne
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really


@jaxstraw wrote:
Thanks.
Just trying to establish some true DP's for whoever might apply.
HP on my biz credit don't bother me either but I just needed some clarification if the SP was verified and not a biz pull.
It seems you did that.
Like I said earlier I ultimately might end up denied even with a recon try but would definitely like to establish if it's biz EX or EQ they pull.

there is no such thing as a true datapoint.  something can works until it does not.  the last page online had me acknowledge that the bank was going to pull credit.  this should be a given anytime one is seeking credit.  amex is great at certain things; 3x @61/180, sp's for new cards, etc. but it can all end @ anytime, so much for datapoints.   not meant as a dig but you had a late pay and you are attempting to get a credit product that is in my mind nearly perfect; a pg loc done with a sp with no fees or and few if any docs.  its kind of obvious at least to me that they would exploit all resources to check out a prospective candidate before approval.  its like being surprised by a low sl when one is in the 600s or messing around with credit and being surprised by an aa or cld.  everyone makes their own datapoints, its all event driven to me

Message 22 of 125
allegra37
Valued Member

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

I called the phone number of this program and they say its available for certain states.

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bourgogne
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

couple of things based on my app and a few other friends.  make sure your EQ is not frozen or it may add days onto the process as well as being shifted to another dept.  my rec would be to only use chrome if you are on a pc, there is a bug in firefox that will cause an issue in the final acceptance phase.  this is a PG LOC, I was not clear about the PG part and you will have to read and agree to such when you accept. based on results they somehow dig deep; old addresses, public record search, etc. 

 

edit:  you might have to prove ownership - I did

 

kind of hard to believe but I am not sure this is going to fully work for my needs.  the min draw is $1k and as you can see you don't want to miss a payment with this guys.  I don't want to get into my methodology here, for various reasons I dont usually keep much of a balance in checking and I do not use cash.  my intention was to use the loc as an emergency fund as I dont have anything like this kind of instrument.  I dont have an heloc anymore.  this is why i have been posting about the nfcu cloc, I wanted something exactly like that but I did not want a new account reporting.  plain & simple, I dont want or need any additional consumer credit, I have my system and its not the best but it works and I like my scores at 850.  blame my mom for the vanity. 

 

I wanted to use the baked in loc checking as auto-pay for all my cards but now it appears instead of using the min payment I will have set each card @ $1K to get the loc to fire, not even sure if all my cards would even allow an overpayment of this much - I was initially told a smaller sum would just round up to $1K but it was not clear this is the case so I let it ride.  not really happy about that and i am trying to work with lending to come up with something, they seem to be a nice creative bunch and this product was just hatched in april 19 so I have not lost hope yet.  a min of $ 100 would be ideal to me but I totally get from an admin side why they would not favor something like this. 

 

these are not a bunch of sleezy car salesman type lenders like there are in this business.  they are pros, I can just tell from the followup and emails. one has to have an account # and setup their portal to drill deeper into the organization to ask for adjustments.  again, my hope is that they will rethink the $1k min draw and the reps I spoke with said it can happen as I am not the only one that did not like the min draw amount.  very high end experence overall

 

pnc.com/businesslending -> also called the `fast funding' product

soft pull only  -> they pulled my business EX

EQ only -> apparently used a vet out individuals during the online app, one must agree to a hp at the end of the app.  I had a friend not get any pull and another got the biz pull like I did.

no ein needed for a sole-prop   they asked for mine as well as asked for it during calls for ID purposes

 

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bizcredit11
Frequent Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

@bourgogne

 

Good information bourgogne! A couple things are really puzzling...

 

#1) Told me it was a SP only (many times)

#2) Told me they didn't pull business credit. (many times)

 

I hope this PG LOC works out for you! Always great to have an emergency fund.

 

bizcredit11

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bourgogne
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really


@bizcredit11 wrote:

@bourgogne

 

Good information bourgogne! A couple things are really puzzling...

 

#1) Told me it was a SP only (many times)

#2) Told me they didn't pull business credit. (many times)

 

I hope this PG LOC works out for you! Always great to have an emergency fund.

 

bizcredit11


I don't know what to tell you, my belief is the sp is an inline tool to vet an applicant during the process.  on the last app page I checked a box that said they may or will pull credit, i cannot remember which, or if it was personal or biz.  I fully expected an hp and I did not care, I have zero ing on eq/tu and like 2 on ex.  I dont have monitoring except for karma and it can be delayed so I dont know for certain if they hit my personal but something hit my biz ex the day of approval so that was be quite coincidental if it was not pnc + I only have a n/c nav account so I cannot drill down into the detail.    I agree with you re an emergency fund +11% is not awful but I really need something with a lower draw to use for autopays.  think michael schumacher except I don't keep $ in my checking.  I do dangerous things on occasion,  i guy I know Carlin Dunne just died in a m/c race sunday.  stuff happens.  what I dont want to happen is wake up from a coma to a financial nightmare.  I have already been through 2008, I just want to have as many backups in place as I can.  if pnc cannot lower the min then I suspect I will just have to bone up and get the nfcu cloc.  navigating nfcu's business side is a nightmare, not going to do it.   too bad locs cannot be set up with autopay, then it might be handy to have a few.  anyway there you have it

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jgodfrey82
Regular Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

@bourgogne - I've been getting PNC offers by mail but had mainly disregard, thanks to your post I am now paying attention. I did get the wrong product when just googling PNC business Loc so it was good to verify that. Thank you. I think the 4506 the other user received was due to the wrong product being applied as it also requires the separate business checking. I don't see any verbiage that your saying sets a minimum 1k per use? I still don't have an issue with that as I would use this product as a roll up account to consolidate higher interest rate regular use cards that I need longer to pay and larger no credit purchases.
I have also been a NFCU member and PLOC user for several years so I wanted to just make sure you knew about it. It is a hybrid account and even though it issues you checks, they don't get their own account number, just an extension # and text that reads "line of credit" why this matters is that you cannot ACH direct in/out. They also show up in the NFCU portal as "overdraft line of credit" as that was its original design. This matters because I've had several occasions where if the check written on the LOC is not handled correctly it can end up being drafted on your main checking. I believe that if it's done through an online deposit or atm deposit that happens and only when counter tendered it's correct. The product is not great. They also only have 1 apr like in the 15%s...
They will fix the incorrect account draft if you bring it to attention but that can also take time and the damage of wrong account use can already be done. I use the NFCU PLOC strictly to buffer utilization and for emergencies.
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bourgogne
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

@jgodfrey82 -- hi, good evening.  I was just going to do a post + I think you can help me.  re the pnc, its not going to work for me.  it was a combo of my wanting to believe it was the perfect fit + salespeople that are very nice but dont know the product inside and out.  somebody called me today and said I need to read the loc agreement.  I am like huh and he is like I was on the phone when you downloaded it.  my god I dont remember this part lol...so I find it and read it.  right out front it says to not write a check for <$1K and do not use it for anything except a business purpose.  its a 10 page doc; legal, serious terse the works.  there is also mention of overdraft but its kind of vague.  I have to get the paperwork, get my account and call them but I can already tell its not going to work and there is no way to deviate from the products parameters, they seem very firm on how its supposed to be used.  so I have a $66k rainy day fund that I will probably never use or I will do a single hit to activate/test it and put it away.  it cost me an hour and a ex biz hp, I will live

 

I am back to square one.   I need an overdraft with no min and minimal if any transfer fees attached to a checking account.  $5-20K is fine.  I have an NFCU credit card that is $25K that I never use, just have it as a backup for europe.  re their cloc, it would be perfect, I dont care about the hp but what I do care about is adding to my consumer credit, changing my aaoa, etc.  that is the only reason I tried the business angle.  I have 8 cards with chase and the only reason I have not asked them is I think I would be over-reaching.  I have seached out a bunch of CUs but they all have their rules.  BECU is a prefect fit but they will not lend to socal + there is a residency issue but their product offerings would be excellent for me, no limits, no fees.  I have not apps for consumer credit for years, only business.

 

besides the hp, what happens score wise when say a new nfcu cloc reports and when does one recover the pt loss?  I know its profile dependent but there must be a range.  big banks have to many fees.  many of the small ones or CUs have area restrictions.  do you have any ideas, I am open to anything at this point.  if the nfcu cloc is the only choice then so be it I guess but I have the feeling that I am missing something.  santander and cal coast cu are the remaining ones I have not contacted.  getting tired of getting close but no cigar for this or that reason.  sorry this is coming out scattered I just dont want to mess with this anymore.  thanks in advance for your thoughts

Message 28 of 125
jgodfrey82
Regular Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really

Well a 66k rainy day account doesn't sound horrible! Write yourself some test checks and pay them back after you let the bank make a few dollars to keep them happy 😁. The NFCU would work other than the regular use case that could cause mis posting. I do also have the penfed LOC and it works exactly like a normal checking account and is a great rate, check them out. Also I suggest you don't worry so much about a new account or inquiry here and there. Our credit is meant to be used. I've purchased 4 homes (2 flip 2 personal) 2 cars, cards loans, a dozen accounts between my wife and I over the past few years. At the end of the day it all balances out, a few months after inquiry it stops effecting the score at all, apply away and enjoy life, in the mean time Penfed LOC sounds perfect for you.
Message 29 of 125
bourgogne
Valued Contributor

Re: I just got $66K loc on a softpull w no docs. really


@jgodfrey82 wrote:
Well a 66k rainy day account doesn't sound horrible! Write yourself some test checks and pay them back after you let the bank make a few dollars to keep them happy 😁. The NFCU would work other than the regular use case that could cause mis posting. I do also have the penfed LOC and it works exactly like a normal checking account and is a great rate, check them out. Also I suggest you don't worry so much about a new account or inquiry here and there. Our credit is meant to be used. I've purchased 4 homes (2 flip 2 personal) 2 cars, cards loans, a dozen accounts between my wife and I over the past few years. At the end of the day it all balances out, a few months after inquiry it stops effecting the score at all, apply away and enjoy life, in the mean time Penfed LOC sounds perfect for you.

either you are in la or you don't sleep.  I get your drift/like your attitude, thank you.  I have a car loan from penfed that is half way done, I will check them out...

 

EDIT:  now I remember why I focused more on nfcu, https://www.penfed.org/personal/personal-line-of-credit cannot be used for overdraft or at lease that is what the fine print says on this link

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