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@Anonymous wrote:
Best UR combo is still ink plus/ink cash/freedom
Not so much, since the duplicate 5% categories on ink cash and plus. Pick one, then one or two UR earners. Thus, freedom with Ink Cash and CSP is the best.
Not sure this will deter me from getting one since I didn't know about it in the first place.
I mainly want it for the combo with Freedom.
@mikelo22 wrote:
This is a very dumb nerf. This bonus always encouraged me to go out just for that bonus. It was a nice perk that I really appreciated. Oh well, not my problem anymore I guess since I just closed my CSP earlier this week.
And if that cost Chase money (which is certainly possible with a 3x reward) getting rid of it is a sensible nerf!
Since several people have brought up the point of whether an extra point in one category was really hurting Chase, I want to address this. It may very well have been if you look at the bigger picture of URs. Chase's UR points transfer generously to many highly valued rewards programs. But those transfers don't come for free to Chase. They need to make enough from swipe fees to be able to pay for those high value transfers.
If the fans are also correct that each UR is worth somewhere around 1.6 to 2 cents when transferred, even if Chase gets a discount on those, they are still spending signifciant amounts. Add to it the fact that people are smarting up and transferring their Freedom points to CSP and using it more for the bonus categories quarterly, compounding the transferable points.
For a highly valuable transfer program like this to stay highly valuable, they need to earn swipe fees far beyond the bonus categories, find a way of restricting earning, or devalue the points. Chase is choosing the second option; slowly but surely making earning extra points from the same spend more difficult.
@yfan wrote:Since several people have brought up the point of whether an extra point in one category was really hurting Chase, I want to address this. It may very well have been if you look at the bigger picture of URs. Chase's UR points transfer generously to many highly valued rewards programs. But those transfers don't come for free to Chase. They need to make enough from swipe fees to be able to pay for those high value transfers.
If the fans are also correct that each UR is worth somewhere around 1.6 to 2 cents when transferred, even if Chase gets a discount on those, they are still spending signifciant amounts. Add to it the fact that people are smarting up and transferring their Freedom points to CSP and using it more for the bonus categories quarterly, compounding the transferable points.
For a highly valuable transfer program like this to stay highly valuable, they need to earn swipe fees far beyond the bonus categories, find a way of restricting earning, or devalue the points. Chase is choosing the second option; slowly but surely making earning extra points from the same spend more difficult.
For alot of us consumsers they carry balances and lets not forget about the AF... I highly doubt they are losing money or the card simply wouldn't be around or the freedom/csp wouddn't be around. It is just another small nerf for more profit to the bank without making the consumer to upset. It is a small nerf, but they all add up
@CreditCuriousity wrote:
@yfan wrote:Since several people have brought up the point of whether an extra point in one category was really hurting Chase, I want to address this. It may very well have been if you look at the bigger picture of URs. Chase's UR points transfer generously to many highly valued rewards programs. But those transfers don't come for free to Chase. They need to make enough from swipe fees to be able to pay for those high value transfers.
If the fans are also correct that each UR is worth somewhere around 1.6 to 2 cents when transferred, even if Chase gets a discount on those, they are still spending signifciant amounts. Add to it the fact that people are smarting up and transferring their Freedom points to CSP and using it more for the bonus categories quarterly, compounding the transferable points.
For a highly valuable transfer program like this to stay highly valuable, they need to earn swipe fees far beyond the bonus categories, find a way of restricting earning, or devalue the points. Chase is choosing the second option; slowly but surely making earning extra points from the same spend more difficult.
For alot of us consumsers they carry balances and lets not forget about the AF... I highly doubt they are losing money or the card simply wouldn't be around or the freedom/csp wouddn't be around. It is just another small nerf for more profit to the bank without making the consumer to upset. It is a small nerf, but they all add up
+1 I could not agree anymore. This is the third bank in the last 2 month to nerf or downgrade their card by changing either the policy or taking something away. Discover was the first one then Barclays with the arrival+ card and now chase.
@yfan wrote:Since several people have brought up the point of whether an extra point in one category was really hurting Chase, I want to address this. It may very well have been if you look at the bigger picture of URs. Chase's UR points transfer generously to many highly valued rewards programs. But those transfers don't come for free to Chase. They need to make enough from swipe fees to be able to pay for those high value transfers.
If the fans are also correct that each UR is worth somewhere around 1.6 to 2 cents when transferred, even if Chase gets a discount on those, they are still spending signifciant amounts. Add to it the fact that people are smarting up and transferring their Freedom points to CSP and using it more for the bonus categories quarterly, compounding the transferable points.
For a highly valuable transfer program like this to stay highly valuable, they need to earn swipe fees far beyond the bonus categories, find a way of restricting earning, or devalue the points. Chase is choosing the second option; slowly but surely making earning extra points from the same spend more difficult.
It would be interesting to know the cost to Chase for UR transfer. It is more or less than the 1c per UR that they have to pay people who cash out? (Citi was said to have got a lot of AA really cheaply as part of financing, but not a precise figure.)
If UR transfer is more expensive, it wouldn't amaze me if Chase one day stopped the transfer from the Freedom, and made it pure cashback like Discover IT. While that would certainly annoy some, with Freedom also being a Chase entry-level card, many people probably use it like that anyway.
@kdm31091 wrote:
Cards get nerfed all the time. Rarely do you see benefits added or increased. Its all about the bottom line.
and then the card gets phased out, and they come out with new cards with better benefits. circle of cards life.