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The NFCU offers a reloadable, prepaid debit (Go Prepaid) card that can be funded by the CU credit cards.
The funding is treated like a regular transaction with the grace period. You don't earn rewards though.
This gives 30-50 days possession of borrowed credit card funds if you make the charge on the credit cards' closing date. Since I prefer not to have high balances, reported to the CRAs, the credit card funds will be kept 30 days and have the money repaid in between credit card closing dates.
This creates an opportunity for safe arbitrage. Just put the money in a high interest checking account. Earn interest for a month. Repay the credit card before the next closing date. Rinse and repeat each month. I want to try this with about $10000.
But I believe the scheme is dead in the water.
The problem is getting money of the card efficiently. The Go Prepaid does not offer an account number or routing number, as far as I know, so ACH is not possible.
Money transfer services like Moneygram, Western Union, Paypal, Square, Venmo, etc all charge a percentage per transaction that is greater than the interest I would earn.
Amex Bluebird, Serve and their ilk are not trustworthy and should never trusted with your money based on my experience.
Buying money orders at Walmart for $10k would involve buying 10 separate money orders @ $.88 each on a ongoing monthly basis. Each money order would have to filled out and deposited to my checking account. The fees and the time suck cancel out the profit. Plus the risk of raising red flags at Walmart and my bank, accused structuring.
Unless I can sit at home and figure out a near zero cost way to digitally transfer the money from the Go Prepaid, then it is best forget about it and move on.
@kremonis wrote:
Amex Bluebird, Serve and their ilk are not trustworthy and should never trusted with your money based on my experience.
Just wondering what problems you have had. I do some small loads monthly to Bluebird for reward checking transactions. However, it's possible that these cards can't be loaded online with the prepaid debit, as they are looking for "real" debit cards
@Anonymous wrote:
@kremonis wrote:
Amex Bluebird, Serve and their ilk are not trustworthy and should never trusted with your money based on my experience.
Just wondering what problems you have had. I do some small loads monthly to Bluebird for reward checking transactions. However, it's possible that these cards can't be loaded online with the prepaid debit, as they are looking for "real" debit cards
@Anonymous
They cancelled my bluebird for what they claim is fraud activity (there was none). Locked me out of my account. Refuse to send me a check for the balance.
@FinStar , @Kforce
Very funny you two.
Anyways I took the the plunge and did stuff today. Found out that Chase offers OTCCA (over the counter cash advances) for debit cards for no fee.
Loaded $2k from credit card onto debit card. Tried to get $2000 cash inside Chase by otcca. That transaction was declined. Tried $500 and it worked.Now I have $500 cash. Went to Walmart and bought $1000 money with the debit card for $.88 .
Will go back to Chase tomorrow morning to get an otcca for the remaining $500 dollars. Deposited the $1500 (cash + money order) into my regular bank account. Already ACHed the first $1500 to my high interest checking account.
This is more of a proof on concept for my own curiosity to see what is possible. The time and hassle will most likely not make this a profitable endeavor.
NOTE: Both Chase and Walmart asked for my DL and type info from my DL into the computer.
What interest rate are you getting on your high yield? Even at 3%, on $10K you would be getting less than $30 a month. I assume you are getting rewards on loading the card with the credit card though, and that's the major gain?
@Anonymous wrote:What interest rate are you getting on your high yield? Even at 3%, on $10K you would be getting less than $30 a month. I assume you are getting rewards on loading the card with the credit card though, and that's the major gain?
@Anonymous
APR is about 3.25%. Getting an over the counter cash advance is less then a glorified ATM withdrawal except with more scrutiny.They can only be done during banking hours. Also the ATMS at the local grocery store also have no fees. The only use case for over the counter cash advance that I can think of is if your debit card does not work in the ATMS machines and you need a few hundred dollars cash.
Anyways, I believe the NFCU allows you five of these Go Prepaid Cards with a $600 ATM limit. If you started on the funding credit card's closing date, and you had a high enough credit limit, over the the stretch of 4 days, you could withdraw $12000 cash. $24000 with a player two!
@kremonis wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:What interest rate are you getting on your high yield? Even at 3%, on $10K you would be getting less than $30 a month. I assume you are getting rewards on loading the card with the credit card though, and that's the major gain?
@Anonymous
APR is about 3.25%. Getting an over the counter cash advance is less then a glorified ATM withdrawal except with more scrutiny.They can only be done during banking hours. Also the ATMS at the local grocery store also have no fees. The only use case for over the counter cash advance that I can think of is if your debit card does not work in the ATMS machines and you need a few hundred dollars cash.
Anyways, I believe the NFCU allows you five of these Go Prepaid Cards with a $600 ATM limit. If you started on the funding credit card's closing date, and you had a high enough credit limit, over the the stretch of 4 days, you could withdraw $12000 cash. $24000 with a player two!
I realize I missed the "no rewards" on credit card loading, so I'm still not sure it is worth the work. Still, 3.25% APR? That's very good for these days, especially if you are talking $24K